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Sunday, 5 April 2015
Tuesday, 31 March 2015
Scalford System 2015 - Feeback From Around the Forums
Here are the comments from around the forums (I've listed them all, where I've found them - both positive and negative):
LINN:
Dasher: I think that you surprised quite a few people yesterday! Congratulations - it worked really well
PINK FISH MEDIA:
Ginger: A digital set up of Fiio/MF VDAC, tisbury passive and Linn Katans (all for under a grand according to it's owner) sounding lovely, especially at this money. I've heard none of this stuff before but the speakers disappearing, imaging nicely, again unforced, out of the boxes, I could live with that no problem.
Muzzer: Ginger I agree about some of those big money systems being amongst the poorer sounding systems, also was not really impressed by the much hyped Event Opals and did not rate the Linn Katan active setup much.
Joolzdee: My first, but won't be my last Scalford show.
Favourites for me were...in no particular order....
Room 200 with the Mac mini/ Grimm active speakers
Room 201 with the Royd Sapphires. What a big sound!
Room 202... Activ Katans
and Room 22... High spec LP12, Gato, Art Alnico speakers (stunning!!)
Well done to all exhibitors though.....plenty of good sounds and lots of hard work too!!
Thanks everyone.
TonyL: I enjoyed a couple of systems mentioned rather negatively upthread, the active Katans & Events both sounded good to me, I've certainly never heard passive Katans sound anything like that good before, but in both cases I managed to bag a good front and centre seat.
Foot Tapper: I made a point of popping in for a listen yesterday and was really pleasantly surprised. For such compact speakers, I thought that the sound was punchy, fast, tuneful and went surprisingly deep. The very small source components were also digging far more of the music out than I had expected. Not being a fan of Linn's current electronics, I really wasn't expecting much, but the system far, far exceeded my expectations. In fact it was great! Thanks for making the effort to set it up so well. (also, from the same contributor on the Naim Forum: Your room sounded amazingly good this year, especially for such a compact system.
It must have been the active amplification for the speakers.
Either that, or the carefully selected grade of goose down in your bass traps
jhud1952: Couldn't agree more - truly excellent sound from such a compact system.
CYRUSUNOFFICIAL:
hifinutt: so good to catch up with quite a few from cu and the rooms sounded good with the opals and I must say sunbeams room was absolutely brilliant as usual. those katans with the linn and flac source was very holographic. well whatever you did it was magic !!!! As you know sunbeam was using his (Tisbury) in his marvellous set up at the wam show and it sounded pretty fine
mickbald: Sunbeams set up. How can you possibly get so much sound for £1000? Tiny speakers delivering the impossible, and where was the subwoofer hidden? Sunbeam never stood up while I was there so I have my suspicions
maro73: Some systems to point out
1. Sunbeam .. World beater system
2. The mingda system was really good
3. There were some high high end systems , good to listen to but in a house impossible , unless you wife is blind or likes hifi
abozo: sunbeamgls: very impressive sound/pound. Your system was making a lot us think!
Dan1502: Having been meaning to find your room all weekend Edun telling me how good it was gave me a nudge to go and find it on Sunday afternoon. It ended up being a much needed break and I sat there relaxing for half an hour or so up until the point I noticed nobody else could get in the room so I moved on for their sakes.
Callen24: Sunbeam system was one of the few able to create a soundstage, I only heard 13 rooms, but most of them sounded like the sound was in the speakers, not around them....The two packed duvets, in the corner, and the closed curtains suggest to me that sunbeam spent a lot of time thinking about what he was doing. He has obviously had an affect because the price of katan speakers has gone up a few notches, on the bay, since scaffold.
CrimsonDonkey: Loads of cred for sunbeams room he did a great job
HIFI WIGWAM:
Petrat: ... and Sunbeamgls ... those little Aktiv Katans will stay long in my memory.
syep2001: Sunbeamgls - Probably them most relaxed room i went in all day, smooth low volume, and the female vocal that came out of the Katans sounded very nice.
JamPal (nee hifiwigwam at the time): However, it was some of the smaller rooms which really got me thinking. SunbeamGLS's little Linn Katans fed from a FIO was absolutely stunning, I stayed a long while in there.
Steve H: The speakers I enjoyed listening to most today was the Linn Katan in room 202 followed by the little Harbeths P3. The produce to my ears, a sound that is fast and clear. I could have stayed much longer to enjoy the music and conversation.
NAIM FORUM:
naim_nymph: This system was top draw imho, the small speakers didn't challenge the acoustics of the room, no colourisation, just easy on the ear music. If there was a prize for giant killing this system would have got 1st place.
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LINN:
Dasher: I think that you surprised quite a few people yesterday! Congratulations - it worked really well
PINK FISH MEDIA:
Ginger: A digital set up of Fiio/MF VDAC, tisbury passive and Linn Katans (all for under a grand according to it's owner) sounding lovely, especially at this money. I've heard none of this stuff before but the speakers disappearing, imaging nicely, again unforced, out of the boxes, I could live with that no problem.
Muzzer: Ginger I agree about some of those big money systems being amongst the poorer sounding systems, also was not really impressed by the much hyped Event Opals and did not rate the Linn Katan active setup much.
Joolzdee: My first, but won't be my last Scalford show.
Favourites for me were...in no particular order....
Room 200 with the Mac mini/ Grimm active speakers
Room 201 with the Royd Sapphires. What a big sound!
Room 202... Activ Katans
and Room 22... High spec LP12, Gato, Art Alnico speakers (stunning!!)
Well done to all exhibitors though.....plenty of good sounds and lots of hard work too!!
Thanks everyone.
TonyL: I enjoyed a couple of systems mentioned rather negatively upthread, the active Katans & Events both sounded good to me, I've certainly never heard passive Katans sound anything like that good before, but in both cases I managed to bag a good front and centre seat.
Foot Tapper: I made a point of popping in for a listen yesterday and was really pleasantly surprised. For such compact speakers, I thought that the sound was punchy, fast, tuneful and went surprisingly deep. The very small source components were also digging far more of the music out than I had expected. Not being a fan of Linn's current electronics, I really wasn't expecting much, but the system far, far exceeded my expectations. In fact it was great! Thanks for making the effort to set it up so well. (also, from the same contributor on the Naim Forum: Your room sounded amazingly good this year, especially for such a compact system.
It must have been the active amplification for the speakers.
Either that, or the carefully selected grade of goose down in your bass traps
jhud1952: Couldn't agree more - truly excellent sound from such a compact system.
CYRUSUNOFFICIAL:
hifinutt: so good to catch up with quite a few from cu and the rooms sounded good with the opals and I must say sunbeams room was absolutely brilliant as usual. those katans with the linn and flac source was very holographic. well whatever you did it was magic !!!! As you know sunbeam was using his (Tisbury) in his marvellous set up at the wam show and it sounded pretty fine
mickbald: Sunbeams set up. How can you possibly get so much sound for £1000? Tiny speakers delivering the impossible, and where was the subwoofer hidden? Sunbeam never stood up while I was there so I have my suspicions
maro73: Some systems to point out
1. Sunbeam .. World beater system
2. The mingda system was really good
3. There were some high high end systems , good to listen to but in a house impossible , unless you wife is blind or likes hifi
abozo: sunbeamgls: very impressive sound/pound. Your system was making a lot us think!
Dan1502: Having been meaning to find your room all weekend Edun telling me how good it was gave me a nudge to go and find it on Sunday afternoon. It ended up being a much needed break and I sat there relaxing for half an hour or so up until the point I noticed nobody else could get in the room so I moved on for their sakes.
Callen24: Sunbeam system was one of the few able to create a soundstage, I only heard 13 rooms, but most of them sounded like the sound was in the speakers, not around them....The two packed duvets, in the corner, and the closed curtains suggest to me that sunbeam spent a lot of time thinking about what he was doing. He has obviously had an affect because the price of katan speakers has gone up a few notches, on the bay, since scaffold.
CrimsonDonkey: Loads of cred for sunbeams room he did a great job
HIFI WIGWAM:
Petrat: ... and Sunbeamgls ... those little Aktiv Katans will stay long in my memory.
syep2001: Sunbeamgls - Probably them most relaxed room i went in all day, smooth low volume, and the female vocal that came out of the Katans sounded very nice.
JamPal (nee hifiwigwam at the time): However, it was some of the smaller rooms which really got me thinking. SunbeamGLS's little Linn Katans fed from a FIO was absolutely stunning, I stayed a long while in there.
Steve H: The speakers I enjoyed listening to most today was the Linn Katan in room 202 followed by the little Harbeths P3. The produce to my ears, a sound that is fast and clear. I could have stayed much longer to enjoy the music and conversation.
NAIM FORUM:
naim_nymph: This system was top draw imho, the small speakers didn't challenge the acoustics of the room, no colourisation, just easy on the ear music. If there was a prize for giant killing this system would have got 1st place.
Wanted to stay longer but much to go see and hear : )
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Monday, 30 March 2015
HiFi Wigwam Scalford Show Report 2015 - As An Exhibitor
After working through the check list and packing the car in 2 short stints in between the rain, on the way just after 1pm, arriving just before 4pm. Checked in then my brother arrived just in time to unload the car. We had a small ground floor room in the new block which had the expected twin beds set up, so not much room for boxes and kit.
Once the car was unpacked we headed for the bar, chatted with a few wammers but it was fairly quiet there. Then we got the kit out of boxes and up and running, just so we could be sure everything was working, which it did straight away - I guess it took about 90 mins elapsed time once all the unwanted boxes and spares were back in the car. We listened for a bit, decided it sounded OK, but there's no point in going for a result when the beds are in the room. Got the bits n pieces off to the room to contribute to the charity bring and buy hifi stuff stall.
So a brief wander around a couple of rooms on the same floor, then off to the bar for a drink to join the curry. A bit after 7pm the curry was available and the dining room filled up quickly. Beef, chicken and veg curry plus rice, naan and bhajis etc., on a help yourself basis (so that'll be 2 platefuls thanks!) went well with the very well presented hand pulled Doom Bar ale. More natter over the curry.
Then for the very relaxed wander around the rooms that were up and running to try and get as many done over the quieter hours of the evening - Sunday is always too busy to get around everything, particularly when there's a room to look after - even when there are 2 too share the work. See separate report (to come) about the rooms I really enjoyed at the show.
Can we not have the show over the clock change weekend next year please? :-) Losing an hour doesn't help - not a biggie, but a preference!
We were up at 7:30am (BST), showered etc., then down to the decent breakfast where we learnt a good deal about reel to reel professional tape machines, tape mastering, the carelessness of the industry when it comes to preserving masters, how to unstick gummed up tape reels etc. etc from Lodgesound. Didn't realise it was so complex!
Back to the room and we started with furniture moving (its about 8:45 now with visitors due around 10:00) to clear out the beds and bring in the chairs. With there being 2 of us, we didn't wait or call for hotel staff, just got on with it. The bed bases went into the en-suite, one mattress stayed in the room and one went out of the room. The small bedside tables came in handy - I was thinking for putting small lamps on them, but it turned out they were great for creating bass traps in the front corners of the room.
We messed about for some time moving the speakers too and fro to try and get the bass boom in the room to a minimum - being in a very square room is only exceeded by a completely cubic room. We did at least have a concrete floor to spike the speakers down onto though, so that helped. The best place for the speakers was a long way out into the room and would've left only one row of seats - never going to be enough for visitors. We pushed the speakers back closer to the wall again (about 45 cms from the wall) and stuffed socks into the rear ports on the Katans. The bass boom was gone, but so was the music - the life was sucked out of it.
So the bedside table went into the front corners and were stacked with bean bags underneath and duvets on top. This was a vast improvement, but still not enough, so the bean bags went on top of the tables and the spaces underneath were packed with pillows, with one of the mattresses propped up against the back wall of the room. Believe me, if you want a good sound, make sure the house you buy doesn't have a square room! At this point we were happy enough to say we'd done enough for a reasonable result - and enough room for 2 x 3 rows of seats for visitors. I noticed that the room sounded at its best with 4 to 6 people in the room. Curtains closed and some low level lighting to help the atmosphere :-)
First arrivals at around 9:50am (show opens at 10!) and we have 2 or 3 folks in the room at a time until around 10:15 when it starts to get busy, then we have a steady stream throughout the day through to 4-30pm. Sometime there are 2 or 3 people, sometimes we have 12 in (game of sardines!) and sometimes folk try and open the door and give up trying to get in - maybe some of them came back later. We did have a few that opened the door when there was room to get in, but decided they didn't like what they heard (which is, as I've said a good few times before at other shows, not a good way to make any evaluation, particularly when you consider how much effort goes into getting the speakers to just the right place in the room).
Throughout the day we are lucky enough to get several re-visits and some come back for a third session, with lots of really encouraging comments about the system. Also, I noted that pretty much every visitor made the effort to smile, nod or say thank you as they leave the room - I think that was a massive improvement on previous years when many folks never bothered.
The FiiO was on shuffle going through the playlist here, but during the quieter times a few people asked for particular tracks to be played - very happy to do this! Brother John and I took turns to look after the room and tour around the other systems. The day whizzed by (it always surprises me this, the 7 hours of showtime seem to stretch out in front, but then it all disappears so quickly) and we enjoyed the music (mostly, I guess John wasn't that happy with some of the dance tracks on the playlist, but he knows how to move it on...). Having technology that just gets on with playing the music makes the day quite easy (and give time to answer visitors' questions) and takes the heat out of deciding what to play next as the machine just gets on with shuffling through what I've already decided would be suitable. It does take a bit more time in advance of course, so adds a bit of pressure in advance, but removes so much of it on the day. We did get some feedback on the music choice - particularly that it was "real" music choices rather than simple well recorded jazz-lite which is what seems to be always on offer at the commercial shows.
We had an empty room at 4:30 but then at 4:40 we had a couple of returnees who requested a few tracks and shared their thoughts on the day (they'd managed to visit every room - that's quite an impressive feat and bit of organisation, particularly as several rooms were impossible to squeeze into for a good part of the day, being so popular). We were very happy for the re-visit, but with a 2.5 hour drive to look forward to unfortunately had to politely ask them to leave at 5pm so we could pack away.
Amazingly the packing was done in an hour and everything was back into the car.
Must say a huge thanks as follows:
James and the organising team at Hifi Wigwam
Those that organised the raffle and/or supplied prizes
Those that worked on the other charity efforts
The hotel (they're so tolerant, AND they now serve hand pulled Doom Bar)
Visitors to the room (who were happy to come through the door despite the brands listed on the door)
The kind comments from visitors about what they heard in the room
All the exhibitors who put in so much effort and are happy to help each other out
JVS for the pies and the excellent Wam-taxi services
And anyone else I should be thanking, but have forgotten
But most of all, thanks to my brother John who supported the room with box shifting, many hours of room sitting and assisting with the beer drinking and to my fantastic family for giving us the time to go out and do something a bit daft with the weekend :-)
Here's a picture of Room 202 at the show:
DETAILS OF THE SYSTEM:
On the bench, from left to right:
First (on the perspex stand): FiiO X3 portable hi-res player, loaded with FLAC files, most of which are 16 bit CD rips, but a handful of 24 bit files too. Music chosen on the basis of music I enjoy first, but then narrowed down based on production . SQ qualities. This was being used purely as a digital transport. Using the coax digital output the signal was fed down a Chord ProDAC Pro Gold digital coax cable to the DAC.
Second (small silver box): a Musical Fidelity PSU-2 which is a linear power supply for the DAC
Third (small black box): a Musical Fidelity V-DAC 1 which feeds its output down a pair of Linn Silver interconnects (silver is the model name based on the colour of the sleeve, there's no actual silver involved) to the pre-amp
Fourth (wooden front with silver knobs): Tisbury passive pre-amp - basically a source selection switch and a potentiometer in a box. This was connected by Linn Silver interconnects to the power amp
Fifth (large blue box): Linn AV5125 multi-channel power amp (125W per channel). In here there are active crossover cards. For each channel the signal from the pre-amp is split into treble and bass frequencies before the amplifiers, then the treble signals go to one channel of the amplification, bass to another. The signal is then sent down one pair of speaker cables (each Linn K400 speaker cable has 2 pairs of conductors) directly to the appropriate driver in each speaker (there are no crossovers in circuit in the speakers). So 4 channels of the power amp are in use - 2 power amps for each speaker, 1 power amp per driver.
The electronics are all on Mission Isoplats and a single shelf and legs of Quadraspire QAV (with a home made brace halfway down the legs)
Speaker cables are Linn K400, which, at 5m each are too long for the room, but we laid them in S shapes rather than coiling.
Speakers are Linn Katans with the back panel connections set up for active operation. They are on the original Linn stands which are spiked, adjusted to be level and no rocking movement. Katans blu-tacked to the stands.
Corners of the room heavily damped with bedding and bean bags (we ended up with more than shown in the photo) and a mattrass against the rear wall. Being a perfectly square room is a real pain! Took us about an hour to get the sound to the best we could with the room we had and the materials available. We even tried socks in the Katan's rear ports for a couple of minutes, but that killed the sound. We also had the system playing quietly the evening before and from about 7:30 on Sunday morning.
Power cables were all standard issue stuff, including a normal extension lead. The Linn amp has been refinished in MG Trophy Blue - one of the reasons the system has been so cost effective as the amp was very scruffy when I bought it, so it cost me about 55% of what they normally sell for.
I mention all the details, which you might think is very long winded, as I think all the little bits add up to a better total.
Hope that helps.
Link here to pictures of setting up the Katans and installing the active cards in the amp: http://audiophilemusings.blogspot.co...th-av5125.html
And another picture by Phil Morgan, with the full bass trap treatment (and a decent camera by the look of it!)
Once the car was unpacked we headed for the bar, chatted with a few wammers but it was fairly quiet there. Then we got the kit out of boxes and up and running, just so we could be sure everything was working, which it did straight away - I guess it took about 90 mins elapsed time once all the unwanted boxes and spares were back in the car. We listened for a bit, decided it sounded OK, but there's no point in going for a result when the beds are in the room. Got the bits n pieces off to the room to contribute to the charity bring and buy hifi stuff stall.
So a brief wander around a couple of rooms on the same floor, then off to the bar for a drink to join the curry. A bit after 7pm the curry was available and the dining room filled up quickly. Beef, chicken and veg curry plus rice, naan and bhajis etc., on a help yourself basis (so that'll be 2 platefuls thanks!) went well with the very well presented hand pulled Doom Bar ale. More natter over the curry.
Then for the very relaxed wander around the rooms that were up and running to try and get as many done over the quieter hours of the evening - Sunday is always too busy to get around everything, particularly when there's a room to look after - even when there are 2 too share the work. See separate report (to come) about the rooms I really enjoyed at the show.
Can we not have the show over the clock change weekend next year please? :-) Losing an hour doesn't help - not a biggie, but a preference!
We were up at 7:30am (BST), showered etc., then down to the decent breakfast where we learnt a good deal about reel to reel professional tape machines, tape mastering, the carelessness of the industry when it comes to preserving masters, how to unstick gummed up tape reels etc. etc from Lodgesound. Didn't realise it was so complex!
Back to the room and we started with furniture moving (its about 8:45 now with visitors due around 10:00) to clear out the beds and bring in the chairs. With there being 2 of us, we didn't wait or call for hotel staff, just got on with it. The bed bases went into the en-suite, one mattress stayed in the room and one went out of the room. The small bedside tables came in handy - I was thinking for putting small lamps on them, but it turned out they were great for creating bass traps in the front corners of the room.
We messed about for some time moving the speakers too and fro to try and get the bass boom in the room to a minimum - being in a very square room is only exceeded by a completely cubic room. We did at least have a concrete floor to spike the speakers down onto though, so that helped. The best place for the speakers was a long way out into the room and would've left only one row of seats - never going to be enough for visitors. We pushed the speakers back closer to the wall again (about 45 cms from the wall) and stuffed socks into the rear ports on the Katans. The bass boom was gone, but so was the music - the life was sucked out of it.
So the bedside table went into the front corners and were stacked with bean bags underneath and duvets on top. This was a vast improvement, but still not enough, so the bean bags went on top of the tables and the spaces underneath were packed with pillows, with one of the mattresses propped up against the back wall of the room. Believe me, if you want a good sound, make sure the house you buy doesn't have a square room! At this point we were happy enough to say we'd done enough for a reasonable result - and enough room for 2 x 3 rows of seats for visitors. I noticed that the room sounded at its best with 4 to 6 people in the room. Curtains closed and some low level lighting to help the atmosphere :-)
First arrivals at around 9:50am (show opens at 10!) and we have 2 or 3 folks in the room at a time until around 10:15 when it starts to get busy, then we have a steady stream throughout the day through to 4-30pm. Sometime there are 2 or 3 people, sometimes we have 12 in (game of sardines!) and sometimes folk try and open the door and give up trying to get in - maybe some of them came back later. We did have a few that opened the door when there was room to get in, but decided they didn't like what they heard (which is, as I've said a good few times before at other shows, not a good way to make any evaluation, particularly when you consider how much effort goes into getting the speakers to just the right place in the room).
Throughout the day we are lucky enough to get several re-visits and some come back for a third session, with lots of really encouraging comments about the system. Also, I noted that pretty much every visitor made the effort to smile, nod or say thank you as they leave the room - I think that was a massive improvement on previous years when many folks never bothered.
The FiiO was on shuffle going through the playlist here, but during the quieter times a few people asked for particular tracks to be played - very happy to do this! Brother John and I took turns to look after the room and tour around the other systems. The day whizzed by (it always surprises me this, the 7 hours of showtime seem to stretch out in front, but then it all disappears so quickly) and we enjoyed the music (mostly, I guess John wasn't that happy with some of the dance tracks on the playlist, but he knows how to move it on...). Having technology that just gets on with playing the music makes the day quite easy (and give time to answer visitors' questions) and takes the heat out of deciding what to play next as the machine just gets on with shuffling through what I've already decided would be suitable. It does take a bit more time in advance of course, so adds a bit of pressure in advance, but removes so much of it on the day. We did get some feedback on the music choice - particularly that it was "real" music choices rather than simple well recorded jazz-lite which is what seems to be always on offer at the commercial shows.
We had an empty room at 4:30 but then at 4:40 we had a couple of returnees who requested a few tracks and shared their thoughts on the day (they'd managed to visit every room - that's quite an impressive feat and bit of organisation, particularly as several rooms were impossible to squeeze into for a good part of the day, being so popular). We were very happy for the re-visit, but with a 2.5 hour drive to look forward to unfortunately had to politely ask them to leave at 5pm so we could pack away.
Amazingly the packing was done in an hour and everything was back into the car.
Must say a huge thanks as follows:
James and the organising team at Hifi Wigwam
Those that organised the raffle and/or supplied prizes
Those that worked on the other charity efforts
The hotel (they're so tolerant, AND they now serve hand pulled Doom Bar)
Visitors to the room (who were happy to come through the door despite the brands listed on the door)
The kind comments from visitors about what they heard in the room
All the exhibitors who put in so much effort and are happy to help each other out
JVS for the pies and the excellent Wam-taxi services
And anyone else I should be thanking, but have forgotten
But most of all, thanks to my brother John who supported the room with box shifting, many hours of room sitting and assisting with the beer drinking and to my fantastic family for giving us the time to go out and do something a bit daft with the weekend :-)
Here's a picture of Room 202 at the show:
DETAILS OF THE SYSTEM:
On the bench, from left to right:
First (on the perspex stand): FiiO X3 portable hi-res player, loaded with FLAC files, most of which are 16 bit CD rips, but a handful of 24 bit files too. Music chosen on the basis of music I enjoy first, but then narrowed down based on production . SQ qualities. This was being used purely as a digital transport. Using the coax digital output the signal was fed down a Chord ProDAC Pro Gold digital coax cable to the DAC.
Second (small silver box): a Musical Fidelity PSU-2 which is a linear power supply for the DAC
Third (small black box): a Musical Fidelity V-DAC 1 which feeds its output down a pair of Linn Silver interconnects (silver is the model name based on the colour of the sleeve, there's no actual silver involved) to the pre-amp
Fourth (wooden front with silver knobs): Tisbury passive pre-amp - basically a source selection switch and a potentiometer in a box. This was connected by Linn Silver interconnects to the power amp
Fifth (large blue box): Linn AV5125 multi-channel power amp (125W per channel). In here there are active crossover cards. For each channel the signal from the pre-amp is split into treble and bass frequencies before the amplifiers, then the treble signals go to one channel of the amplification, bass to another. The signal is then sent down one pair of speaker cables (each Linn K400 speaker cable has 2 pairs of conductors) directly to the appropriate driver in each speaker (there are no crossovers in circuit in the speakers). So 4 channels of the power amp are in use - 2 power amps for each speaker, 1 power amp per driver.
The electronics are all on Mission Isoplats and a single shelf and legs of Quadraspire QAV (with a home made brace halfway down the legs)
Speaker cables are Linn K400, which, at 5m each are too long for the room, but we laid them in S shapes rather than coiling.
Speakers are Linn Katans with the back panel connections set up for active operation. They are on the original Linn stands which are spiked, adjusted to be level and no rocking movement. Katans blu-tacked to the stands.
Corners of the room heavily damped with bedding and bean bags (we ended up with more than shown in the photo) and a mattrass against the rear wall. Being a perfectly square room is a real pain! Took us about an hour to get the sound to the best we could with the room we had and the materials available. We even tried socks in the Katan's rear ports for a couple of minutes, but that killed the sound. We also had the system playing quietly the evening before and from about 7:30 on Sunday morning.
Power cables were all standard issue stuff, including a normal extension lead. The Linn amp has been refinished in MG Trophy Blue - one of the reasons the system has been so cost effective as the amp was very scruffy when I bought it, so it cost me about 55% of what they normally sell for.
I mention all the details, which you might think is very long winded, as I think all the little bits add up to a better total.
Hope that helps.
Link here to pictures of setting up the Katans and installing the active cards in the amp: http://audiophilemusings.blogspot.co...th-av5125.html
And another picture by Phil Morgan, with the full bass trap treatment (and a decent camera by the look of it!)
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Friday, 27 March 2015
Surviving the Wigwam HiFi Show At Scalford 2015
The room list has been published here: http://thehifishow.com/guide do your research now and you can prioritise the rooms you want to visit based on the types of equipement in use.
A few tips:
In the rooms you're interested in, try a few different seats in the room as the set up won't be perfect and you might find yourself in a room null / peak and not get a good impression so move about a bit. Also try a minimum of 2 tracks before deciding to stay a bit or move on. Mark up your guide before and during so you know which rooms to go back to.
It a bit of a warren - treat the building as 2 halves - the old building which has most of the larger rooms - ground and first floor, with the stairs to the first floor being just opposite the reception. The new building is best accessed through one of 2 less than obvious doors - see the guide linked above. One is just to the right of the Private Dining Room and involves crossing the courtyard to the door diagonally to the right. The other is to the left of the stairs at the left of the private dining room you go straight through 3 doors and then turn right along a covered walkway and through another door into the new section. Once in the new section its essentially a 2 floor L shape so you can work along one floor, change floors and work back along the other floor. The only anomilies to this are the Gun Room / Rutland Room on the ground floor and Syndicates 23 and 24 on the first floor, so watch out for those.
If you want to maximise your time, take some sarnies as its a fair schlep back to the "restaurant" which will be selling burgers and sarnies.
May be start and the far end and work back, if you're there first thing as many just wander into the rooms nearest the doors and they get crowded
Be polite enough to smile / nod / acknowlege the room hosts. You might like what you hear, it might by OK or you might think its awful - that doesn't matter, the room hosts deserve a thank you for spending their own time and cash to be there.
A few tips:
In the rooms you're interested in, try a few different seats in the room as the set up won't be perfect and you might find yourself in a room null / peak and not get a good impression so move about a bit. Also try a minimum of 2 tracks before deciding to stay a bit or move on. Mark up your guide before and during so you know which rooms to go back to.
It a bit of a warren - treat the building as 2 halves - the old building which has most of the larger rooms - ground and first floor, with the stairs to the first floor being just opposite the reception. The new building is best accessed through one of 2 less than obvious doors - see the guide linked above. One is just to the right of the Private Dining Room and involves crossing the courtyard to the door diagonally to the right. The other is to the left of the stairs at the left of the private dining room you go straight through 3 doors and then turn right along a covered walkway and through another door into the new section. Once in the new section its essentially a 2 floor L shape so you can work along one floor, change floors and work back along the other floor. The only anomilies to this are the Gun Room / Rutland Room on the ground floor and Syndicates 23 and 24 on the first floor, so watch out for those.
If you want to maximise your time, take some sarnies as its a fair schlep back to the "restaurant" which will be selling burgers and sarnies.
May be start and the far end and work back, if you're there first thing as many just wander into the rooms nearest the doors and they get crowded
Be polite enough to smile / nod / acknowlege the room hosts. You might like what you hear, it might by OK or you might think its awful - that doesn't matter, the room hosts deserve a thank you for spending their own time and cash to be there.
Sunday, 22 March 2015
Steven Wilson At The Troxy, London. March 2015
Really enjoyed the gig at the Troxy this week - much more than I thought I would.
The venue is magnificent - I assume previously it was a cinema - its a real art-deco joy (if you like that sort of thing!). Can't really comment on how it behaves from a sound quality point of view as I was near the back underneath the surprisingly low balcony ceiling, where it was OK enough.
PA was good quality, if just a touch too loud for the size of the venue. They were using rear speakers too, which was an interesting touch - they mostly pipe effects such as waves and rain through these, but backing vocals too from time to time. Light show fairly straight forward and one that was to add to the mood of each song rather than a show in itself. About 3/4 of the way through the gig a thin semi-translucent curtain came down in front of the band and that added to the lighting effects, in addition to being used as a screen for various moving images. The rest of the time the large screen behind the band was used either as part of the light show or for moving images of the girl-in-a-field, waves on a beach, grainy photos from childhood variety.
The band were very together (which can't be easy with this kind of music), the wild variety of light and shade, tempo changes, key changes etc., were all on show, very well executed. The way the music changes so much I have found difficult to enjoy in the past, but bringing it to life helped understand it better. Steven's singing was spot on and the whole band was passionate.
Really enjoyed the gig overall, much more than expected. It was also good to feel like a younger member (at 50!) of the 80% male audience.
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The venue is magnificent - I assume previously it was a cinema - its a real art-deco joy (if you like that sort of thing!). Can't really comment on how it behaves from a sound quality point of view as I was near the back underneath the surprisingly low balcony ceiling, where it was OK enough.
PA was good quality, if just a touch too loud for the size of the venue. They were using rear speakers too, which was an interesting touch - they mostly pipe effects such as waves and rain through these, but backing vocals too from time to time. Light show fairly straight forward and one that was to add to the mood of each song rather than a show in itself. About 3/4 of the way through the gig a thin semi-translucent curtain came down in front of the band and that added to the lighting effects, in addition to being used as a screen for various moving images. The rest of the time the large screen behind the band was used either as part of the light show or for moving images of the girl-in-a-field, waves on a beach, grainy photos from childhood variety.
The band were very together (which can't be easy with this kind of music), the wild variety of light and shade, tempo changes, key changes etc., were all on show, very well executed. The way the music changes so much I have found difficult to enjoy in the past, but bringing it to life helped understand it better. Steven's singing was spot on and the whole band was passionate.
Really enjoyed the gig overall, much more than expected. It was also good to feel like a younger member (at 50!) of the 80% male audience.
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Saturday, 21 March 2015
The Hifi Wigwam Scalford Show 2015: Room 202 Playlist
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Here's the kit list we're exhibiting at the show this year, in Room 202:
FiiO X3
Chord Prodac Gold coax cable
Musical Fidelity V-DAC 1 with V-PSU 2
Linn Silver interconnect (its only a description of the sleeve, no silver involved)
Tisbury passive pre-amp
Linn Silver interconnect
Linn active crossover cards inside AV5125 (using 4 of the 5 power amp channels)
Linn K400 speaker cable
Linn Aktiv Katan speakers on their dedicated stands
Also, a fun system in the bar area on Saturday night.
And here is the list of 16 bit and 24 bit tracks that will be on shuffle and visitors will be able to ask for particular tracks from the list too:
Here's the kit list we're exhibiting at the show this year, in Room 202:
FiiO X3
Chord Prodac Gold coax cable
Musical Fidelity V-DAC 1 with V-PSU 2
Linn Silver interconnect (its only a description of the sleeve, no silver involved)
Tisbury passive pre-amp
Linn Silver interconnect
Linn active crossover cards inside AV5125 (using 4 of the 5 power amp channels)
Linn K400 speaker cable
Linn Aktiv Katan speakers on their dedicated stands
Also, a fun system in the bar area on Saturday night.
And here is the list of 16 bit and 24 bit tracks that will be on shuffle and visitors will be able to ask for particular tracks from the list too:
| $olal | Psycho Girls & Psycow Boys (Haaksman & Haaksman remix) | Electronica | 2007 |
| Afterlife | Makes Me Feel | Electronica | 2000 |
| Agnes Obel | Fuel To Fire | Jazz | 2013 |
| Ane Brun | Words | Folk/Rock | 2011 |
| Ane Brun | Worship (Feat. Jose Gonzalez) | Folk/Rock | 2011 |
| Annie Lennox | Why | Pop | 1992 |
| Art Of Noise | Moments In Love | Electronic | 2008 |
| Black Mighty Orchestra | Ocean Beach (Cybophonia Cinematic Remix) | Electronic | 2008 |
| Black Sabbath | Planet Caravan | Rock | 2000 |
| Blues Company | Cold Rain | Blues | 1997 |
| Blues Company | Dark Day | Blues | 2007 |
| Brendan Perry | Death Will Be My Bride | Folk | 1999 |
| Brendan Perry | Medusa | Folk | 1999 |
| Chris Rea | Looking For A Rainbow | Rock | 1989 |
| Chris Rea | Texas | Rock | 1989 |
| Daft Punk | Give Life Back To Music | Pop | 2013 |
| Daft Punk | Lose Yourself To Dance | Pop | 2013 |
| Damien Rice | Cannonball | Folk/rock | 2003 |
| Damien Rice | Cold Water | Folk/rock | 2003 |
| Damien Rice | Delicate | Folk/rock | 2003 |
| Damien Rice | Volcano | Folk/rock | 2003 |
| Dead Can Dance | Agape | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | All In Good Time | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | American dreaming | Folk | 1994 |
| Dead Can Dance | Amnesia | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | Anabasis | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | Children Of The Sun | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | Opium | Folk | 2012 |
| Dead Can Dance | The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove (Remastered) | Folk | 1993 |
| Dean Fraser | Big Up/Armageddon Time | Jazz/Reggae | 1997 |
| Dean Fraser | Dick Tracy | Jazz/Reggae | 1997 |
| Death Cab For Cutie | Doors Unlocked And Open | Indie Rock | 2011 |
| Death On The Balcony | Them 3 Words (Original) | Electronic | 2012 |
| Devon Allman | Strategy | Blues | 2013 |
| Devon Allman | Time Machine | Blues | 2013 |
| Dire Straits | Fade to Black | Rock | 1991 |
| Dire Straits | Planet of New Orleans | Rock | 1991 |
| Dirty Vegas | Days Go By (Acoustic Mix) | Chillout | 2003 |
| Disclosure feat London Grammar | Help Me Lose My Mind | Rock | 2013 |
| Eddi Reader | Dear John | Folk | 1994 |
| Elbow | Asleep In The Back | Indie | 2001 |
| Elbow | Mirrorball | Indie | 2008 |
| Elbow | One Day Like This | Indie | 2008 |
| Emily Barker | Nostalgia | Folk/Rock | 2012 |
| Erykah Badu | Next Lifetime | R&B | 1998 |
| Erykah Badu | Rimshot (Intro) | R&B | 1997 |
| FAC15 | Stay With Me Til Dawn | Electronica | 2007 |
| Fink | Perfect Darkness (Live from Union Chapel, London Oct 5 2011) | Rock/Indie | 2012 |
| Fink | Warm Shadow (Live from Epicerie Moderne, Lyon â?? Oct 28 2011) | Rock/Indie | 2012 |
| Flash And The Pan | Walking In The Rain | Pop | 1990 |
| Fleetwood Mac | Go Your Own Way | Rock | 2011 |
| Fleetwood Mac | The Chain | Rock | 2011 |
| Ganga | Don't Wake Me Up | Electronic | 2006 |
| Ganga | Down But Up | Electronic | 2006 |
| Ganga | You Are My Sun | Electronic | 2006 |
| Gare Du Nord | Pablos Blues | Dance | 2002 |
| Georges-Emmanuel Lazaridis | Grandes Etudes de Paganini Etude III | Classical | 2007 |
| Goldfrapp | Let It Take You Away | Electronica | 2005 |
| Goldfrapp | Ooh La La | Electronica | 2005 |
| Gotye | Don't Worry We'll Be Watching You | Rock/Indie | 2012 |
| Gotye | Puzzle With A Piece Missing | Rock/Indie | 2012 |
| Gotye | State Of The Art | Rock/Indie | 2012 |
| Holly Cole | Train song | Rock | 1995 |
| Hue & Cry | Makin' Whoopee | Jazz | |
| I Am Kloot | Hold Back the Night | Rock | 2013 |
| I Am Kloot | Let Them All In | Rock | 2013 |
| Ian Shaw | A Case of You | Jazz | 2006 |
| It's Immaterial | Driving Away From Home (Jims Tune) | Pop | 2008 |
| Jakatta | American Dream (Afterlife Mix) | Electronica | 2001 |
| James Taylor | Gaia | Folk/Rock | 1997 |
| Jay Fisher | Old Man McKeensley | Folk/Rock | |
| Jennifer Warnes | Way Down Deep | Pop | 1992 |
| Jenny Lewis | Bad Man's World | Country | 2008 |
| Jenny Lewis | Pretty Bird | Country | 2008 |
| Jesca Hoop | Peacemaker | Alternative | 2012 |
| Joan Armatrading | Love And Affection | R&B | 1976 |
| Joe Bonamassa | Feelin' Good | Blues/Rock | 2009 |
| John Lee Hooker | The Healer (with Carlos Santana & The Santana Band) | Blues | 1989 |
| John Martyn | A Little Strange | Folk/Rock | 1996 |
| John Martyn | Feel So Good | Folk/Rock | 2000 |
| John Martyn | Sunshine's Better | Folk/Rock | 1996 |
| Justin Currie | No, Surrender | Rock | 2008 |
| k.d. Lang | Constant Craving | Pop | 1992 |
| Kaiser Chiefs | Everything Is Average Nowadays | Indie | 2007 |
| Kaiser Chiefs | Ruby | Indie | 2007 |
| Keb’ Mo’ | For What It's Worth | Jazz | 2004 |
| Keb’ Mo’ | Wake Up Everybody | Jazz | 2004 |
| Keb’ Mo’ | What's Happening Brother | Jazz | 2004 |
| Kiki Dee | Amoureuse | Folk | |
| Kiki Dee | Don't Go Breaking My Heart | Folk | |
| London Grammar | Hey Now | Rock | 2013 |
| London Grammar | Strong | Rock | 2013 |
| Lorde | Royals | Pop | 2013 |
| Lux | So La Ra Dsa | Electronica | 2000 |
| Lyle Lovett | North Dakota | Alternative Country | 1992 |
| Lyle Lovett | Record Lady | Alternative Country | 1994 |
| Lyle Lovett | She's Already Made Up Her Mind | Alternative Country | 1992 |
| Malia & Boris Blank | Magnetic Lies | Jazz | 2013 |
| Malia & Boris Blank | Tears Run Dry | Jazz | 2013 |
| Marta Gomez | Lucia | Classical/Jazz | 2009 |
| Mary Gauthier | Falling Out Of Love | Country | 2005 |
| Massive Attack | Three | Electronic | 1994 |
| Michael Jackson | Liberian Girl | Pop | 2001 |
| Millenia Nova | Beautiful | Electronica | 2000 |
| Nalin & Kane | Beachball (Joris Voorn Remix) | Electronica | 2010 |
| Nick Drake | 'Cello Song | Folk | 1969 |
| Nick Drake | Fly | Folk | 1970 |
| Nick Harper | The Kilty Stone | Folk | 2002 |
| Nils Lofgren | Black Books | Rock | 1997 |
| Nils Lofgren | Keith Don't Go | Rock | 1997 |
| Nils Lofgren | Wonderland | Rock | 1997 |
| Nitin Sawhney | Broken Skin | Chill | 1999 |
| Nitin Sawhney | Letting Go | Chill | 1999 |
| Nitin Sawhney | Nothing | Chill | 2001 |
| Pete Alderton | (She Said That) Evil Was Her Name | Blues | 2012 |
| Pete Alderton | Jesus In A Bottle | Blues | 2012 |
| Pete Alderton | Passing Ships | Blues | 2012 |
| Pete Alderton | Song For David (alternative version) | Blues | 2012 |
| Peter Gabriel | Don't Give Up | Folk/Rock | 2012 |
| Peter Gabriel | Mercy Street | Folk/Rock | 2012 |
| Renegade Creation | Bullet | Blues | 2012 |
| Renegade Creation | Nazareth | Blues | 2012 |
| Renegade Creation | Too Much Of Nothin' | Blues | 2012 |
| Rhodes | Grinding Wheel | Rock | 2013 |
| Rhodes | You Are The North Wind | Rock | 2013 |
| Richard Thompson | Easy There, Steady Now | Folk | 1994 |
| Richard Thompson | Mingus Eyes | Folk | 1994 |
| Robben Ford | Make Me Your Only One | Blues | 2002 |
| Robben Ford | Peace Love And Understanding | Blues | 2003 |
| Robben Ford & The Blue Line | I Don't Play | Blues | 1993 |
| Robben Ford & The Blue Line | Mystic Mile | Blues | 1993 |
| Royksopp | Sparks | Drum & Bass | 2002 |
| Sam Cooke | Chain Gang | Blues | |
| Sam Cooke | Cupid | Blues | |
| Samantha James | Breathe You In | Electronica | 2007 |
| Samantha James | Right Now | Electronica | 2007 |
| Sarah McLachlan | Hold On | Folk/Rock | 1994 |
| Sarah McLachlan | Ice | Folk/Rock | 1994 |
| Sarah McLachlan | Sweet Surrender (DJ Tiesto Mix) | Folk/Rock | 1997 |
| Sarah McLachlan | Wait | Folk/Rock | 1994 |
| Seal | Kiss From A Rose | Soul | 1995 |
| Semisonic | Closing Time | Rock | 1998 |
| Semisonic | Secret Smile | Rock | 1998 |
| Shawn Colvin | Kill The Messenger | Rock | 1992 |
| Shawn Colvin | Polaroids | Rock | 1992 |
| Silverchair | Israel's Son | Rock | 1995 |
| Sinead O'Connor | Nothing Compares 2 U | Folk | 2003 |
| Slovo | Killing Me | Electronica | 2004 |
| Slovo | Whisper | Electronica | 2002 |
| Sofa Sweeper | Voice Of Core | Chill | 2009 |
| Solu | The Way I Feel (Extended Mix) | Electronica | 2002 |
| Solu Music Featuring Kimblee | Fade (Full 12 Vocal)" | Electronica | 2003 |
| Steely Dan | Babylon Sisters | Jazz/Rock | 2000 |
| Steely Dan | Cousin Dupree | Jazz/Rock | 2000 |
| Steely Dan | Hey Nineteen | Jazz/Rock | 2000 |
| Steely Dan | Two Against Nature | Jazz/Rock | 2000 |
| Steely Dan | What A Shame About Me | Jazz/Rock | 2000 |
| Stéphane Pompougnac | Eden (with Nicole Graham) | Electronica | 2008 |
| Stéphane Pompougnac | Sunday Drive (feat. Charles Schillings - Remix) | Electronica | 2007 |
| Stephen Fearing | Dublin Bay | Folk | 1989 |
| Stephen Fearing | Welfare Wednesday | Folk | 1989 |
| Sun Kil Moon | Half Moon Bay | Acoustic | 2010 |
| Sun Kil Moon | Third And Seneca | Acoustic | 2010 |
| Swing Out Sister | Breakout | Pop | 2001 |
| Talking Heads | Road To Nowhere | Pop | 2008 |
| Tchaikovsky | 'Dance Of The Reeds' From The Nutcracker | Classical | 2003 |
| Tears For Fears | Mad World | Pop | 2007 |
| Terri Walker | This Is My Time | Electronica | 2006 |
| The Australian Pink Floyd Show | Time | Rock | 2004 |
| The Black Keys | Dead And Gone | Blues/Rock | 2011 |
| The Black Keys | Lonely Boy | Blues/Rock | 2011 |
| The Black Keys | Sister | Blues/Rock | 2011 |
| The Blue Nile | Let's Go Out Tonight | Rock | 1989 |
| The Blue Nile | The Downtown Lights | Rock | 1989 |
| The Brand New Heavies | Boogie (Eric Kupper Mix) | Electronic | 2004 |
| The Cardigans | Erase/Rewind | Pop | 1998 |
| The Farm | All Together Now | Rock | 1995 |
| The Jeff Healey Band | Blue Jean Blues | Blues | 1988 |
| The Killers | Human | Rock | 2008 |
| The Memory Band | Why | Electronic | 2007 |
| The Ray Gelato Giants | Exactly Like You | Swing | 1995 |
| The Ray Gelato Giants | That Old Black Magic | Swing | 1995 |
| The Wailin' Jennys | All The Stars | Folk | 2011 |
| The Wailin' Jennys | Bird Song | Folk | 2011 |
| The Wailin' Jennys | Swing Low Sail High | Folk | 2011 |
| The Zutons | Valerie | Rock | 2007 |
| Thea Gilmore | Bad Moon Rising | Folk | 2003 |
| Thea Gilmore | Ever Fallen In Love | Folk | 2003 |
| Thea Gilmore | God's Got Nothing On You | Folk | 2010 |
| Thea Gilmore | Icarus Wind | Folk | 2009 |
| Thea Gilmore | The Old Laughing Lady | Folk | 2003 |
| Thievery Corporation | Heaven's Gonna Burn Your Eyes (feat. Emiliana Torrini) | Electronica | 2004 |
| Thievery Corporation | The Richest Man In Babylon | Electronica | 2010 |
| Thievery Corporation | Until The Morning | Electronica | 2010 |
| Tiny Tunes | Will You Catch Me (Twin Tunes Mix Edit) | Electronic | 2001 |
| Tom Baxter | Night Like This | Jazz | 2007 |
| Tom Baxter | Skybound | Jazz | 2007 |
| Tom Jones | Thunderball | Soundtrack | 2002 |
| Tom Robinson | The End Of The Rainbow | Folk/Rock | 1993 |
| T-Rex | Get It On | Pop | 2001 |
| U2 | Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me | Rock | 1995 |
| U2 | In A Little While (N.O.W Remix) | Rock | 2003 |
| Underworld | Caliban's Dream (feat. Dockhead Choir, Dame Everlyn Glennie, Only Men Alound, Elizabeth Roberts, Esme Smith, Alex Trimble) | Electronic | 2012 |
| Underworld | Sola Sistim | Electronic | 2002 |
| Underworld | Twist | Electronic | 2002 |
| Wamdue Project | Forgiveness (feat. Jonathan Mendelsohn - Beach Angel '07 Mix) | Electronica | 2007 |
| Was (Not Was) | Papa Was A Rolling Stone | Pop | 1992 |
| Willie Nelson | What Is It You Wanted | Country | 1993 |
| Willy Porter | Cool Water | Folk | 1995 |
| Willy Porter | Jesus on the Grille | Folk | 1995 |
| Wyclef Jean | 911 (ft. Mary J. Blige - LP Version) | Pop | 2000 |
| X-Press 2 | Lazy (Original) | Dance | 2002 |
| Yello | Friday Smile | Electronic | 2009 |
| Yello | Get On | Electronic | 1999 |
| Yello | Indigo Bay | Electronic | 2003 |
| Yello | Kiss In Blue (Feat. Heidi Happy) | Electronic | 2009 |
| Yello | Ocean Club | Electronic | 1991 |
| Yello | Stay (Feat. Heidi Happy) | Electronic | 2009 |
| Yello | Till Tomorrow (Feat. Till Brönner) | Electronic | 2009 |
| Yello | X-Race | Electronic | 2009 |
| Zero 7 | Destiny | Electronica | 2001 |
| Zero 7 | Give It Away | Electronica | 2001 |
| Zero 7 | In The Waiting Line | Electronica | 2001 |
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