Local Naim enthusiast R has a new job, which is great news. Less great is that it involves staying away from his Naim system during the week, returning at weekends.
So that could be a real downer, but R decided that he needed something to listen to his music during the week in the digs. We dug out my portable kit and had a long natter about the best approach to take. Whilst we listened to some music via iPod Classic (320kbps AAC files) through the Trends Audio TA10.1 integrated amp and Tangent Evo speakers we agreed that it was a decent enough sound, given the size of the amp and speakers involved. The discussion then moved on to the "use case" and it became clear that a compact permanent system would fit the bill better than a truly portable system - R's not moving from hotel to hotel on a regular basis.
We thought about cost effective options for amps / integrated systems. We both have Denon DM compact systems (amp / CD / Tuner) for kitchen use and they're adequate for that role but not really something you'd want to sit in front of and do some actual listening. R has also heard an Arcam solo and was unimpressed, given the coverage its had in the press. Thoughts turn to eBay and what the options might be if we think about used kit. I really think the TA10.1 could do the job, but R obviously feels something more substantial is required. With both budget (Denon) and supposedly mid-range (Arcam Solo) integrated systems discounted on grounds of poor performance we moved towards integrated amps and the options there. Sources then come to mind and we soon agreed that CD isn't a good option (R would have to take them to and from home each week) and some kind of digital file playing source would be best. iPod? Well, files would be best re-rippped into lossless Apple format and storage would continue to be an issue. We've been discussing streaming options for some time and R has started ripping CDs to FLAC in anticipation of making a decision in that direction fairly soon - he's heard the Logitech Touch in action in my system and sees (and hears!) the benefits. Being a Naim advocate meant that the UnitiQute was a possible all-in-one option and it has sounded OK on the dealer's shop floor. But £1300 with speakers to add is a big chunk of cash to sink into a possibly temporary system and detracts from investment in the main home system.
So back to the amp. You can seem some stuff about Cyrus in the posts below - my brother runs all Cyrus electronics and my system is running a DAC-X / PSX-R with great results. There's one thing that Cyrus is famous for and that's their pretty much unique approach to putting all their kit into the same shoe-box size cases - somewhat more compact than the usual integrateds from other companies. I have a couple of Logitech Touches still in their boxes ready to go into the Dining Room and Kitchen. So a temporary source is worked out - plug a USB memory stick loaded with FLAC files into the back of the Touch and away you go. Of course, you won't get much music on a USB stick, but it would allow us to prove the point.
At the end of the first discussion, we have a plan - Touch, Cyrus amp and some speakers. Off R went, armed with a Touch and his eBay account for another week away.
News comes through mid-week that a Cyrus 8 has been secured on eBay at a very very good price (the silver ones seem to sell for a little less than the black ones), leaving the way clear for a bit of speaker experimentation at the following weekend.
R arrives on Friday night with said Cyrus, he's had the Touch up and running from a USB stick and there's a 2TB portable desktop drive waiting to receive lots of ripped CDs. One day (actually it might be a few days effort) I'll put a whole page up on the blog about some experimentation I went through with pre-year 2000 Mission speakers a couple of years ago, but for the purposes of this post, it means that I've a small collection of their speakers in the garage - the ones that came out best in my experiments and I felt would be good to hang on to, plus, there's a pair of 771e on Atacama SE20 stands doing great service in our Dining room. So we have some tiny Monitor Audios that R brings along, and then Mission 771e (turn of the millenium), 737R (late 1980s) and 773 (turn of the millenium) speakers to play with. The Cyrus 8 is placed on an Isolplat on top of a Quadraspire rack and my Logitech Touch (streaming FLAC from NAS over Ethernet) is hooked up using Linn Black analogue interconnects. R has brought some solid core speaker cables (I can't remember which - I'll amend the post later with the correct info) and we start with the tiny Monitor Audios. The set up isn't ideal - all the speakers are stood in my listening room in front of the Linn Keilidhs so its not the best way to listen. They're well into the room but they'll all be put through the same circumstances so we'll be able to spot differences but won't be hearing any of them at their best. We don't listen to the MAs for long - there's loads of detail, not much bass - but what is there is OK - and female vocals are very enjoyable. But its all rather bright / harsh and I don't think they sound as good as the Tangent Evos. We quickly move on to the 771e on the Atacama stands (which are 2/3 sand filled) and there is a massive jump in quality. There's a quite suprising amount of bass out of these boxes, the treble is smoothed out significantly and there's a good deal more drive to the music. We listen to some of our "standard" listening tracks such as Eagle Eye Cherry's "Shooting Up In Vain", Steely Dan's "Babylon Sisters" in 24/96 format and FAC15's take on Judie Tzuke's classic "Stay With Me Til Dawn". We enjoy them all and agree that the 771e are very acceptable.
Mission 771e (identity info - 771 has a silver bass driver centre cap, the 771e has gold)
We carry them out (the stands are heavy!) and in come the floor standing 773 - they're no wider nor deeper than the 771 but they're 923mm tall so they sit the tweeter higher in the room. The 773 and 771 share the same drivers - a 25mm silk dome tweeter and a 130mm Aerogel bass cone, but the 773 adds a second bass driver. The results are astonishing. R's reaction forces some choice language - he can't believe we're listening to a pair of speakers you can pick up for under £100. They're great - bass is deep, extended and articulate, vocals clear and imaging is good, if not as good as Mission's best in this regard. We listen to several more tracks just to make sure. If you listen to them reasonably loud they do a great job, quieter they remain dynamic, but crank up the Cyrus too much (for the speakers, not the amp) they do harden up somewhat. But that won't matter - the quiet to medium volume range is all that will be possible in R's digs. We decide that this combination (even using the rather limited DAC built into the Logitech Touch) is a very acceptable system and one that would be easy to live with in terms of tonal qualities and information retrieval.
Mission 773
We move onto the last option we have available to us - the late 1980s Mission 737R. Read about them on the Internet and you'll see lots of references to the "legendary" 737 Renaissance (the R stands for Renaissance which is printed in large black letters on the old skool front baffle which is painted in a dark silver dimpled finish - think Hammerite!) which was an interesting re-positioning of the "legendary" original Mission 770. Imagine the original Mission 770's thin chipboard cabinet and the translucent 200mm polypropylene base cone coupled with the cheaper tweeter from the 700 and you get the 737R - a kind of down-market version of the 770. At that time, the 770 had moved onto a more sophisticated cabinet and bass driver so I'm guessing this was a good way for Mission to continue to re-coup its investment in the translucent bass cone. Anyway, I digress. The upshot is that, following on from the 15+ years younger 773, the 737R were are a major step backwards. Good to see that Mission did make good progress over those years. In comparison to the 773 the 737R just sounds so crude. Bass is lighter (they benefit from being back to a wall so are distincly disadvantaged here) but its also somewhat flappy, treble is vague, bright and splashy and vocals get buried somewhere in the mix. Pretty disappointing - they are working fine, but they're really showing their age in terms of the sound they make. I finally realise that I can let them go - they might have been quite something in their day, but they're heavily out classed now. Its good to hear that progress has been made.
Mission 737 Renaissance (note there are 2 versions of this speaker, one with a matt black baffle and the other with the dimpled silver finish - not sure which came first, but pretty sure from listening to them that they're otherwise of identical spec)
So we have a result - the 773 are a suprisingly good speaker, and R is off back to eBay to see what the 773 action is like. When buying the 77 series from this era secondhand you need to look for those that are in immaculate condition because the very attractive "leather look" black vinyl front baffle covering sometimes has given up gripping onto the heavily chamfered / countered front panel.
Post script: Having got the result we did with the 773, the 771 on Atacamas didn't go back into the Dining Room - the 773 have taken their place. With their backs closer to a wall the 773 are sounding better still, even when driven by a lowly NAD 7020e receiver (basically a NAD 3020e amp with a built-in tuner). A Logitech Touch is now resident in the Dining Room system too - its finally climbed out of its box. So the second system gets a boost out of this exercise too. R has borrowed the 771e and stands for a few weeks until a suitable pair off 773s appear on eBay. A useful couple of hours of experiment that's lead to 2 excellent results for R and for our Dining room. R's also taken away some Linn K20 speaker cable to compare against the solid core stuff - will report his findings soon.
"What a refreshingly honest blog about listening to music through hi-fi. So happy to see views based upon the enjoyment of music rather than so-called sound 'quality'." - Peter Comeau, Director of Acoustic Design at Mission / Wharfedale
Sunday, 29 May 2011
Thursday, 19 May 2011
Cambridge Audio NP 30 - At Last!
After over a year of waiting, the NP 30 is finally coming to the UK.
Priced at £399 it sits between the Logitech Touch and the Cyrus Stream X, but closest to the Logitech in both price and funcitionality, given that it contains a DAC. It will be interesting to see how the sound quality compares.
What HiFi News Article
Cambridge Audio Pages
Being uPnP based it doesn't need software installing on a PC or on a NAS and that's got to be a good thing. Also good to see that it has a coax SP/DIF output so that other, better, DACs can be used when the time comes to upgraded. Looks good too - purely on the cosmetics it looks like a more up market product compared to the DACMagic.
There's an Apple iWotsits app which looks fine in the screenshots - it will be interesting to see if it can overcome the issues of lag that many of these apps suffer from.
I look forward to the reviews.
Priced at £399 it sits between the Logitech Touch and the Cyrus Stream X, but closest to the Logitech in both price and funcitionality, given that it contains a DAC. It will be interesting to see how the sound quality compares.
What HiFi News Article
Cambridge Audio Pages
Being uPnP based it doesn't need software installing on a PC or on a NAS and that's got to be a good thing. Also good to see that it has a coax SP/DIF output so that other, better, DACs can be used when the time comes to upgraded. Looks good too - purely on the cosmetics it looks like a more up market product compared to the DACMagic.
There's an Apple iWotsits app which looks fine in the screenshots - it will be interesting to see if it can overcome the issues of lag that many of these apps suffer from.
I look forward to the reviews.
Labels:
24 bit,
Cambridge Audio,
Cyrus,
Logitech,
NP30,
Squeezebox,
Touch
Monday, 2 May 2011
Woe Is Me!
I've come over all Shakespearean and its down to the new heart of my system, the Cyrus DAC-X.
It was secondhand and has been performing really well in my system for several weeks now, but we came back from a few days away and it's developed a fault - the left channel is heavily distorted. Tested cables, connections to the pre-amp, different digital inputs, with and without the PSX-R all with the same result - a distorted sounding DAC.
An email's gone off to the Cyrus service dept to check out what to do next, but it'll be a while before they get back, given the UK's plethora of bank holidays at the moment.
Hopefully its not something too expensive!
It was secondhand and has been performing really well in my system for several weeks now, but we came back from a few days away and it's developed a fault - the left channel is heavily distorted. Tested cables, connections to the pre-amp, different digital inputs, with and without the PSX-R all with the same result - a distorted sounding DAC.
An email's gone off to the Cyrus service dept to check out what to do next, but it'll be a while before they get back, given the UK's plethora of bank holidays at the moment.
Hopefully its not something too expensive!
More Popular Titles Now Emerging in HD
HDTracks are ramping up more popular releases. Demand must be growing and in a similar vein to the way CDs were released in their early days, more and more "classic" rock / pop albums are now coming out in glorious HD quality. And, despite their age, it does work - my HD copies of Rush's Moving Pictures and Steely Dan's Gaucho sound great, despite being recorded well before 24 bit digital had been thought of!
Latest examples:
Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Eric Clapton's Slowhand
Beck's Sea Change
And lots of Rolling Stones
Enjoy
p.s. Not HD, but Hed Kandi's latest Serve Chilled: Electronic Summer is now available from Juno Download in CD quality WAV or FLAC.
Latest examples:
Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Eric Clapton's Slowhand
Beck's Sea Change
And lots of Rolling Stones
Enjoy
p.s. Not HD, but Hed Kandi's latest Serve Chilled: Electronic Summer is now available from Juno Download in CD quality WAV or FLAC.
Wednesday, 20 April 2011
Cyrus Streaming On Tour
Since the February 2011 school half-term holidays and my brother's visit with his Cyrus DAC-X and PSX-R, life hasn't been quite the same. With my own versions of these components now firmly in place in the main system, Cyrus has become a topic of interest.
Recently they announced their streaming range and I'm looking forward to hearing their offerings. It will be interesting to hear what the Stream-X does for its £1500 in comparison to a Squeezebox Touch being used purely for Ethernet streaming. It looks like I'll have to book my own session with the local dealer, but for those who are fortunate enough to live near one of the tour date locations, Cyrus are on the road to demo their new kit between now and late May. Book a place if you can:
http://www.cyrusaudio.com/register-for/cyrus-digital-music-tour-2011
Recently they announced their streaming range and I'm looking forward to hearing their offerings. It will be interesting to hear what the Stream-X does for its £1500 in comparison to a Squeezebox Touch being used purely for Ethernet streaming. It looks like I'll have to book my own session with the local dealer, but for those who are fortunate enough to live near one of the tour date locations, Cyrus are on the road to demo their new kit between now and late May. Book a place if you can:
http://www.cyrusaudio.com/register-for/cyrus-digital-music-tour-2011
Was It Inevitable?
Its a shame, but this is the way of new technologies and web sites at the moment. You're lured in by free services, then they add advertising, then they charge, then the service deteriorates, but by then you're dependent on the service! Oh, and by then they also have huge quantities of data on your usage habits, preferences, links to all your mates etc......
Now the rather wonderful-so-far Spotify service is suffering from this as they reduce the service offered for free:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/spotify-to-impose-limits-on-free-music-streaming-service
I currently have the subscription service, but how long before the price creeps up, 320kbps becomes 128kbps, adverts creep in etc.
Please Spotify, don't do it, keep up the current excellent service. If you want to make more money, add users, or add quality, don't mess with your existing customers!
:-)
Now the rather wonderful-so-far Spotify service is suffering from this as they reduce the service offered for free:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/spotify-to-impose-limits-on-free-music-streaming-service
I currently have the subscription service, but how long before the price creeps up, 320kbps becomes 128kbps, adverts creep in etc.
Please Spotify, don't do it, keep up the current excellent service. If you want to make more money, add users, or add quality, don't mess with your existing customers!
:-)
Friday, 8 April 2011
Interesting Thread at Amazon on MP3 vs FLAC
Good to see that this kind of debate is taking place on a site as commonly used as Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx28IXQIV6LBRU4&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3251XECL26B7J&displayType=tagsDetail
http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/mp3/forum/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx28IXQIV6LBRU4&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3251XECL26B7J&displayType=tagsDetail
Thursday, 31 March 2011
7Digital Go 24 Bit
Yet more news on the "HD" FLAC download front.
7Digital, the download site that is linked in from Spotify has announced 24 bit downloads - albeit only at 44.1kHz at the moment. Still great news - I'm off to check out the choices of music.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/ mp3/news/2011/03/29/7digital- Offers-Radiohead-Album-As- FLAC-Download/p1
7Digital, the download site that is linked in from Spotify has announced 24 bit downloads - albeit only at 44.1kHz at the moment. Still great news - I'm off to check out the choices of music.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/
Thursday, 24 March 2011
Thinking Floyd vs The Aussies
Enjoyed UK Pink Floyd tribute band Think Floyd at the Dartford Orchard Theatre last night.
I've had the pleasure of seeing / hearing The Australian Pink Floyd show on a number occasions. Sorry to start this review with the competition, but its very relevant as it gives me a baseline for comparison. Unfortunately I've never seen the real thing, but I have been to see the Aussies with a friend who has seen the real thing.
So the baseline is this: the Aussies are incredibly close to the real thing - note perfect, sound effect perfect, timing perfect and the whole light show with inflatables and lasers is absolutely stunning - being a 2/3rds scale replica of the last Earl's Court show captured on the Pulse DVDs. A stunning show and one that plays very large venues and has the audience singing along and on their feet for some tracks. They're a 6 piece band with 3 female vocalists and they have all the kit you can think of to recreat the exact synth and guitar sounds faithfully. Thoroughly recommended.
So how do Think Floyd compare, given they are a 5 piece including the female vocalist? Well, you might think this is a cop-out but to be honest I think there isn't really a comparison to be made. And I'm going to illustrate that by making comparisons before a conclusion!
The band
lead guitar - Richard Morse
bass - Lewis Hall
drums - Steve Farmer
keys - Robert Gerrard
female vocals / sax - Hayley Sanderson
clearly enjoy what they're doing. The synth sounds aren't exact copies, the vocals (from lead and bass guitar) are not facsimilies of the originals, the guitar solos are not exactly copies, some of the songs have different arrangements (e.g. the curtailed ending to Run Like Hell) and the light show is on a significantly smaller scale. So that's the comparison - Think Floyd are not and exact copy of the real thing where as the Aussies certainly are.
So does that mean they weren't good? Does it mean I didn't enjoy the gig? No, it absolutely doesn't. Its difficult to describe. But here's an observation - I must've seen 10 or so people in an audience of several hundred who were under the age of 30. The Aussie's have a much wider range of ages in their audience but Think, well at least on a Wednesday evening in Dartford, seem to attract a distinctly late middle age and over type of audience. And I find that odd as it kind of contradicts the difference between the bands. I'll come back to this in a few lines.
So how do the band sound? Well, they're great, they clearly love the music and they work very well together. It's an edgier, somewhat more raw and earthy sound compared to the real thing (as heard on CD or as interpreted by The Aussies) and generates a more rocky, rhythm driven version of the songs. Its excellent, with my personal favourite being the drummer - with a much more limited kit his skills in recreating the feel of the percussion is breathtaking.
The first set ranged from some early Syd Barrett psychedelia through a few tracks from The Wall, Division Bell and Wish You Were here, filling an hour in total. The second half kicked off with the entire Dark Side of the Moon album, very faithfully reproduced including many of the sound effects timed in very well. As part of this, of course, the band played The Great Gig In The Sky - a real test for the band and for female vocalist Hayley Sanderson. And this track summed up the whole show for me really - if you think of Clare Tory's original and the Aussie's reproduction of this track, then the vocals I would describe as being sensual or sensuous. With Think, Hayley's vocals are superb and really push on the emotional front, but they're raunchy rather than sensuous. And that sums up the difference for me - Think do the emotion in a more rock focussed edgy way, adding a bit more of themselves into the music whereas the Aussies generate the emotion through faithful reproduction of the originals. So back to the audience - and here's what I found somewhat confusing. Why is it that Think are rocky and edgy but the audience all remainded seated and intently listening like they were comparing a 1979 Sondek with and Ittok arm versus the same Sondek with an SME arm, whereas the Aussie's audience are on their feet and dancing / clapping / singing along? Weird.
The second set finished off with some more from The Wall (Run Like Hell) and Wish You Were Here. There were 2 encores, finishing up with Comfortably Numb when suddenly, the audience remembered some of the lyrics and maybe 1 in 4 were singing along. As we left the theatre there was that buzz you get from an audience that had enjoyed the gig - lots of smiles and chat about favourites, checking on the next tour dates etc. And you get to meet the band - they man the merchandise stall after the show.
The show isn't massive, but the lights / smoke / mirror ball etc. are enough to create the right atmosphere.
Recommended? Billing themselves as the definitive Pink Floyd experience probably isn't entirely accurate - I would say the Aussies could claim that one. For any Floyd fan, Think are absolutely recommended - and half price compared to The Aussies!
p.s. seen in the audience, a black t-shirt with a picture of Darth Vader's helmet on the front with a beam of white light hitting it from the left and splitting out into a rainbow from the right with the script "The Dark Side". Made me smile.
I've had the pleasure of seeing / hearing The Australian Pink Floyd show on a number occasions. Sorry to start this review with the competition, but its very relevant as it gives me a baseline for comparison. Unfortunately I've never seen the real thing, but I have been to see the Aussies with a friend who has seen the real thing.
So the baseline is this: the Aussies are incredibly close to the real thing - note perfect, sound effect perfect, timing perfect and the whole light show with inflatables and lasers is absolutely stunning - being a 2/3rds scale replica of the last Earl's Court show captured on the Pulse DVDs. A stunning show and one that plays very large venues and has the audience singing along and on their feet for some tracks. They're a 6 piece band with 3 female vocalists and they have all the kit you can think of to recreat the exact synth and guitar sounds faithfully. Thoroughly recommended.
So how do Think Floyd compare, given they are a 5 piece including the female vocalist? Well, you might think this is a cop-out but to be honest I think there isn't really a comparison to be made. And I'm going to illustrate that by making comparisons before a conclusion!
The band
lead guitar - Richard Morse
bass - Lewis Hall
drums - Steve Farmer
keys - Robert Gerrard
female vocals / sax - Hayley Sanderson
clearly enjoy what they're doing. The synth sounds aren't exact copies, the vocals (from lead and bass guitar) are not facsimilies of the originals, the guitar solos are not exactly copies, some of the songs have different arrangements (e.g. the curtailed ending to Run Like Hell) and the light show is on a significantly smaller scale. So that's the comparison - Think Floyd are not and exact copy of the real thing where as the Aussies certainly are.
So does that mean they weren't good? Does it mean I didn't enjoy the gig? No, it absolutely doesn't. Its difficult to describe. But here's an observation - I must've seen 10 or so people in an audience of several hundred who were under the age of 30. The Aussie's have a much wider range of ages in their audience but Think, well at least on a Wednesday evening in Dartford, seem to attract a distinctly late middle age and over type of audience. And I find that odd as it kind of contradicts the difference between the bands. I'll come back to this in a few lines.
So how do the band sound? Well, they're great, they clearly love the music and they work very well together. It's an edgier, somewhat more raw and earthy sound compared to the real thing (as heard on CD or as interpreted by The Aussies) and generates a more rocky, rhythm driven version of the songs. Its excellent, with my personal favourite being the drummer - with a much more limited kit his skills in recreating the feel of the percussion is breathtaking.
The first set ranged from some early Syd Barrett psychedelia through a few tracks from The Wall, Division Bell and Wish You Were here, filling an hour in total. The second half kicked off with the entire Dark Side of the Moon album, very faithfully reproduced including many of the sound effects timed in very well. As part of this, of course, the band played The Great Gig In The Sky - a real test for the band and for female vocalist Hayley Sanderson. And this track summed up the whole show for me really - if you think of Clare Tory's original and the Aussie's reproduction of this track, then the vocals I would describe as being sensual or sensuous. With Think, Hayley's vocals are superb and really push on the emotional front, but they're raunchy rather than sensuous. And that sums up the difference for me - Think do the emotion in a more rock focussed edgy way, adding a bit more of themselves into the music whereas the Aussies generate the emotion through faithful reproduction of the originals. So back to the audience - and here's what I found somewhat confusing. Why is it that Think are rocky and edgy but the audience all remainded seated and intently listening like they were comparing a 1979 Sondek with and Ittok arm versus the same Sondek with an SME arm, whereas the Aussie's audience are on their feet and dancing / clapping / singing along? Weird.
The second set finished off with some more from The Wall (Run Like Hell) and Wish You Were Here. There were 2 encores, finishing up with Comfortably Numb when suddenly, the audience remembered some of the lyrics and maybe 1 in 4 were singing along. As we left the theatre there was that buzz you get from an audience that had enjoyed the gig - lots of smiles and chat about favourites, checking on the next tour dates etc. And you get to meet the band - they man the merchandise stall after the show.
The show isn't massive, but the lights / smoke / mirror ball etc. are enough to create the right atmosphere.
Recommended? Billing themselves as the definitive Pink Floyd experience probably isn't entirely accurate - I would say the Aussies could claim that one. For any Floyd fan, Think are absolutely recommended - and half price compared to The Aussies!
p.s. seen in the audience, a black t-shirt with a picture of Darth Vader's helmet on the front with a beam of white light hitting it from the left and splitting out into a rainbow from the right with the script "The Dark Side". Made me smile.
Sunday, 20 March 2011
Items for Sale on eBay
Support the blog by purchasing one of the following:
Mission 700 loudspeakers. Black. Mint condition in original packaging. Click here to view.
Aiwa AD-F450 Dolby B C Hx Pro Stereo Cassette Deck in very good condition and in original packaging. Click here to view.
2 pairs of Cambridge Audio Atlantic interconnects. Click here to view.
Thanks!
Mission 700 loudspeakers. Black. Mint condition in original packaging. Click here to view.
Aiwa AD-F450 Dolby B C Hx Pro Stereo Cassette Deck in very good condition and in original packaging. Click here to view.
2 pairs of Cambridge Audio Atlantic interconnects. Click here to view.
Thanks!
Saturday, 19 March 2011
More Pictures Added
Full current system pictures have been added at the page tabs at the top of the home page, as has a current system diagram.
Monday, 7 March 2011
DAC. Magic?
For those of you paying attention, the streaming set up currently looks like this:
QNAP NAS (including SqueezeServer software) - Etnernet over mains - Logitech Squeezebox Touch - QED Performance Digital Coax cable - Cambridge Audio DACMagic - Audioquest Emerald analogue interconnect - Meridian 541 pre-amp and then off into the active amps and Linn Keilidhs.
And very satisfying it is too - as I've said earlier, about 90% up there with the CD player, and definitely better with 24 bit tracks. But there's always that nagging doubt eh?
Now some sites (e.g. Stereophile, Digital Audio Blog) have been making some seriously big claims for the capability of the Logitech Squeezebox Touch - such as "the best transport I've ever heard (Digital Audio Blog on the Touch with a Teddy PSU)". This means they've been running the humble Touch with some multi $k DACs and stratospherically expensive amps and speakers.
I am, by nature, somewhat sceptical of such claims and what sometime seems to by hyperbole. Now I'm not singling out Stereophile nor Digital Audio Blog or questioning their integrity, it just that I like to see lots of evidence and corroboration, or better still, find out for myself.
Another thing that's a worthwhile background to this post is my continuing good natured sibling "rivalry" with my brother when it comes to hifi and the route to getting the most enjoyable sound in the home. Brother J has gone down a different route to myself, (although we initially shared an enjoyment of Meridian CD players, with J running a 206 for many years. After a few years with Meridian CD / Cyrus 2 / PSX and Mission 770 Freedoms (the last of the 770 line) he's recently upgraded to a Cyrus 4 box CD player (I can't remember the transport model, but the other three boxes are DAC X and 2 PSX-Rs) plus a reasonably high end Cyrus integrated. This has substantially improved his whole system and it suits his taste - its fast, has pin-point imaging and real clarity and separation. But for me, it doesn't go deep enough, the music lacks somewhat in emotion and doesn't "envelope" the listener. Its all silver too, which just isn't right ;-) Each to his own of course, and it delivers what he wants to hear. This means he finds my system to be somewhat vague in its imaging (can't argue with that) and a little less analytical than he would enjoy. Fair enough. Will do a feature on the "other systems I have known" page sometime soon.
Why is this relevant? Well, in amongst J's kit list you might have spotted a somewhat fine DAC combination of Cyrus DAC X and PSX-R. This half term (this is a very late post, apologies!), J came to visit with family and had kindly agreed to bring along said DAC and power supply. It's good to unplug and re-connect cables every now and then, make sure the connections are clean! And so began a "quick trial" session - we reckoned an hour would be enough...
For purposes of this session, we used exclusively 16 bit 44.1 kHz FLAC files ripped from my CD collection - so we could make direct comparison with my Meridian 508.20 CD player.
Music used:
Thea Gilmore - Loft Music - Tracks "Ever Fallen In Love" and "The Old Laughing Lady" (A great covers album - with Thea its all about her extraordinary voice - its range and ability to convey emotions, plus the acoustic instruments and backing vocals)
Brendan Perry - Eye of the Hunter - Track "Death Will Be My Bride" (Don't listen if you're feeling a bit down! Very well recorded and spacious track with some really tricky and complex cymbals to deal with)
Eagle Eye Cherry - Desireless - Track "Shooting Up In Vain" (Another one to cheer you up! Mutilayered instruments that need a good system to allow each instrument to survive in the complexity of the mix)
Chris Rea - The Road to Hell - Track "Looking for a Rainbow" (needs a system that has good drive and pace as the song builds the underlying rythmn throughout)
Eddi Reader - Eddi Reader - Track "Dear John" (lovely voice, needs to convey the emotions)
FAC 15 - On Fierce Angel's Angels Fall 3 CD Set "Stay With Me Till Dawn" (a superb re-work of the Judie Tzuke classic with a bass line that slides into the depths of the unknown!)
To get a reference and to demo the DACMagic to J we started off using the Thea Gilmore album to play the Touch with its internal DAC and then stepped up to the DACMagic. J's view largely aligned with mine - a massive improvement somewhat out of kilter with this modestly priced most looking little black box. Comparing to the CD player there are aspects of the music that are different but we couldn't really choose between Touch / DAC and the CD player. CD being warmer, Touch being a bit more up-front. Tried Eagle Eye and Chris Rea on this too, with similar indecision.
So the Cyrus DAC X is unpacked and plugged in to the system. It sits on an Isoplat and takes the place of the DACMagic in support of the Touch for the streaming side of the system. What follows is somewhat of a revelation. Usually, when you get to this stage with hifi, the improvements in the system deminish, the more you spend on the system. One day I'll post in depth on the benefits of going from passive amplification to active amplification with the Linn Keilidhs which was the biggest single improvement I've made in my system. Until now. For those of you who've had the benefit of listening to a Linn or Naim system that has been moved from passive to active, you'll know just how fundamental a change this Cyrus shoebox has brought to the system.
Cyrus DAC-X in brushed black
Some examples of what we heard:
- The music appears to be playing slower (but it takes the same length of time to play the track) this would seem to be because the instruments and/or notes aren't slurring into each other, they've got time and room to be notes in their own right
- One of the tracks (can't remember which one) has a riff played on an acoustic guitar. As the track progresses and more joins the mix, the guitar continues in the background. But we were both astonished to hear (and we both spotted this at exactly the same moment, without discussion) that part way through the track the guitar changes from acoustic to steel.
- The Brendan Perry track finishes with a very complex and subtle cymbal sequence. Now, the difference between the sound of each cymbal is much more obvious, but on top of that, you can hear if the stick is striking the top or the edge of the cymbal and when being brushed, if the brushing is being done by a brush or by a stick.
- The soundstage on all tracks is outside the speakers and with the FAC15 track, fills out into the room.
So we were VERY impressed with this and messed about with a few tracks for another hour or so. Then outcame the Cyrus PSX-R to sit alongside the DAC-X. You need to keep both the DAC and the PSX-R plugged into the mains then there's an umbilical chord from the PSX-R to the DAC. I understand that the internal power supply of the DAC is then dedicated to digital duties and the PSX-R takes over the analogue output circuits.
So what now? Well this is another non-subtle improvement. Darkness behind and around instruments, bass is deeper and more controlled (check the sliding synth bass line on the FAC15 track) and those Brendan Perry cymbals shimmer out and away from the speakers, seeming to sit in the room. FAC15 are now enveloping the whole room. Its lush, detailed and completely captivating. And so the quick listening session went on for 3.5 hours. We didn't want to stop trying different tracks. Later in the evening, the system seemed to have matured again - I know many experience this with their systems and there is much debate about noise on the mains. physcological effects and many other theories. Perhaps this would've happened anyway, but we did suspect that the PSX-R might have warmed through a little?
We, rather indulgently, spent another couple of hours of listening the following day, throwing in some 24bit stuff from Linn and HDTracks, which, of course, was mighty impressive, if, at times, a little dry. No problems with Ian Shaw's "Barangrill" (on "Drawn To All Things" from Linn Records) nor with Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen" (on Gaucho from HDTracks).
And then J and his Cyrus kit went away again. Sad. But one thing has definitely been proven - the little Squeezebox Touch is certainly capable of supporting some very serious downstream electronics. Now to eBay...
QNAP NAS (including SqueezeServer software) - Etnernet over mains - Logitech Squeezebox Touch - QED Performance Digital Coax cable - Cambridge Audio DACMagic - Audioquest Emerald analogue interconnect - Meridian 541 pre-amp and then off into the active amps and Linn Keilidhs.
And very satisfying it is too - as I've said earlier, about 90% up there with the CD player, and definitely better with 24 bit tracks. But there's always that nagging doubt eh?
Now some sites (e.g. Stereophile, Digital Audio Blog) have been making some seriously big claims for the capability of the Logitech Squeezebox Touch - such as "the best transport I've ever heard (Digital Audio Blog on the Touch with a Teddy PSU)". This means they've been running the humble Touch with some multi $k DACs and stratospherically expensive amps and speakers.
I am, by nature, somewhat sceptical of such claims and what sometime seems to by hyperbole. Now I'm not singling out Stereophile nor Digital Audio Blog or questioning their integrity, it just that I like to see lots of evidence and corroboration, or better still, find out for myself.
Another thing that's a worthwhile background to this post is my continuing good natured sibling "rivalry" with my brother when it comes to hifi and the route to getting the most enjoyable sound in the home. Brother J has gone down a different route to myself, (although we initially shared an enjoyment of Meridian CD players, with J running a 206 for many years. After a few years with Meridian CD / Cyrus 2 / PSX and Mission 770 Freedoms (the last of the 770 line) he's recently upgraded to a Cyrus 4 box CD player (I can't remember the transport model, but the other three boxes are DAC X and 2 PSX-Rs) plus a reasonably high end Cyrus integrated. This has substantially improved his whole system and it suits his taste - its fast, has pin-point imaging and real clarity and separation. But for me, it doesn't go deep enough, the music lacks somewhat in emotion and doesn't "envelope" the listener. Its all silver too, which just isn't right ;-) Each to his own of course, and it delivers what he wants to hear. This means he finds my system to be somewhat vague in its imaging (can't argue with that) and a little less analytical than he would enjoy. Fair enough. Will do a feature on the "other systems I have known" page sometime soon.
Why is this relevant? Well, in amongst J's kit list you might have spotted a somewhat fine DAC combination of Cyrus DAC X and PSX-R. This half term (this is a very late post, apologies!), J came to visit with family and had kindly agreed to bring along said DAC and power supply. It's good to unplug and re-connect cables every now and then, make sure the connections are clean! And so began a "quick trial" session - we reckoned an hour would be enough...
For purposes of this session, we used exclusively 16 bit 44.1 kHz FLAC files ripped from my CD collection - so we could make direct comparison with my Meridian 508.20 CD player.
Music used:
Thea Gilmore - Loft Music - Tracks "Ever Fallen In Love" and "The Old Laughing Lady" (A great covers album - with Thea its all about her extraordinary voice - its range and ability to convey emotions, plus the acoustic instruments and backing vocals)
Brendan Perry - Eye of the Hunter - Track "Death Will Be My Bride" (Don't listen if you're feeling a bit down! Very well recorded and spacious track with some really tricky and complex cymbals to deal with)
Eagle Eye Cherry - Desireless - Track "Shooting Up In Vain" (Another one to cheer you up! Mutilayered instruments that need a good system to allow each instrument to survive in the complexity of the mix)
Chris Rea - The Road to Hell - Track "Looking for a Rainbow" (needs a system that has good drive and pace as the song builds the underlying rythmn throughout)
Eddi Reader - Eddi Reader - Track "Dear John" (lovely voice, needs to convey the emotions)
FAC 15 - On Fierce Angel's Angels Fall 3 CD Set "Stay With Me Till Dawn" (a superb re-work of the Judie Tzuke classic with a bass line that slides into the depths of the unknown!)
To get a reference and to demo the DACMagic to J we started off using the Thea Gilmore album to play the Touch with its internal DAC and then stepped up to the DACMagic. J's view largely aligned with mine - a massive improvement somewhat out of kilter with this modestly priced most looking little black box. Comparing to the CD player there are aspects of the music that are different but we couldn't really choose between Touch / DAC and the CD player. CD being warmer, Touch being a bit more up-front. Tried Eagle Eye and Chris Rea on this too, with similar indecision.
So the Cyrus DAC X is unpacked and plugged in to the system. It sits on an Isoplat and takes the place of the DACMagic in support of the Touch for the streaming side of the system. What follows is somewhat of a revelation. Usually, when you get to this stage with hifi, the improvements in the system deminish, the more you spend on the system. One day I'll post in depth on the benefits of going from passive amplification to active amplification with the Linn Keilidhs which was the biggest single improvement I've made in my system. Until now. For those of you who've had the benefit of listening to a Linn or Naim system that has been moved from passive to active, you'll know just how fundamental a change this Cyrus shoebox has brought to the system.
Some examples of what we heard:
- The music appears to be playing slower (but it takes the same length of time to play the track) this would seem to be because the instruments and/or notes aren't slurring into each other, they've got time and room to be notes in their own right
- One of the tracks (can't remember which one) has a riff played on an acoustic guitar. As the track progresses and more joins the mix, the guitar continues in the background. But we were both astonished to hear (and we both spotted this at exactly the same moment, without discussion) that part way through the track the guitar changes from acoustic to steel.
- The Brendan Perry track finishes with a very complex and subtle cymbal sequence. Now, the difference between the sound of each cymbal is much more obvious, but on top of that, you can hear if the stick is striking the top or the edge of the cymbal and when being brushed, if the brushing is being done by a brush or by a stick.
- The soundstage on all tracks is outside the speakers and with the FAC15 track, fills out into the room.
So we were VERY impressed with this and messed about with a few tracks for another hour or so. Then outcame the Cyrus PSX-R to sit alongside the DAC-X. You need to keep both the DAC and the PSX-R plugged into the mains then there's an umbilical chord from the PSX-R to the DAC. I understand that the internal power supply of the DAC is then dedicated to digital duties and the PSX-R takes over the analogue output circuits.
So what now? Well this is another non-subtle improvement. Darkness behind and around instruments, bass is deeper and more controlled (check the sliding synth bass line on the FAC15 track) and those Brendan Perry cymbals shimmer out and away from the speakers, seeming to sit in the room. FAC15 are now enveloping the whole room. Its lush, detailed and completely captivating. And so the quick listening session went on for 3.5 hours. We didn't want to stop trying different tracks. Later in the evening, the system seemed to have matured again - I know many experience this with their systems and there is much debate about noise on the mains. physcological effects and many other theories. Perhaps this would've happened anyway, but we did suspect that the PSX-R might have warmed through a little?
We, rather indulgently, spent another couple of hours of listening the following day, throwing in some 24bit stuff from Linn and HDTracks, which, of course, was mighty impressive, if, at times, a little dry. No problems with Ian Shaw's "Barangrill" (on "Drawn To All Things" from Linn Records) nor with Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen" (on Gaucho from HDTracks).
And then J and his Cyrus kit went away again. Sad. But one thing has definitely been proven - the little Squeezebox Touch is certainly capable of supporting some very serious downstream electronics. Now to eBay...
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Friday, 25 February 2011
iTunes 24 bit Rumours!
Thanks to good audiophile friend Alan and good audiophile site Computer Audiophile for this one!
There's a rumour that Apple's iTunes will be offering 24 bit audio sometime in the future. Now that would make a huge difference to the market and remove that nagging doubt about the widespread availablity of a good catalogue of true High Def audio content.
Fingers crossed, and any chance of FLAC please Mr Jobs?
There's a rumour that Apple's iTunes will be offering 24 bit audio sometime in the future. Now that would make a huge difference to the market and remove that nagging doubt about the widespread availablity of a good catalogue of true High Def audio content.
Fingers crossed, and any chance of FLAC please Mr Jobs?
More Cyrus Details
More information on the Cyrus streamer was announced at the Bristol show. I should've said streamers rather than streamer, as its actually a bit of a family of products.
Lots of connectivity - USB (asychronous or not is not yet clear), iPod dedicated USB, wired Ethernet, WiFi, uPnP and DLNA. Plus they plays the most important FLAC and WAV file formats up to 24 / 96.
Most impressively, Cyrus have got it right and produced all the main possible combinations for this device:
£1600 Streamline that is streamer / DAC / pre-amp / power amp as an all-in-one mini system (compare Naim UnitiQute)
£1400 Stream X which is the streamer only with digital outputs - so the main "source" component for those of us interested in selecting the best avaible device for each element in the sound reproduction chain (compare Naim NDX)
£2000 Stream XP which is the streamer / DAC / pre-amp version (perhaps compare Musical Fidelity?)
All work with a remote that includes a screen and controls the devices over the network. Can't see anything in the news (no rear panel photos either) that indicate compatibility with the PSX-R power supply.
Brilliant! I'm hoping these devices will sound as good or better than the company's existing DAC products (more soon on this topic) but Cyrus have to be absolutely congratulated and encouraged to continue with this excellent approach to covering all the bases.
Cyrus Announcement
What HiFi News Link
Lots of connectivity - USB (asychronous or not is not yet clear), iPod dedicated USB, wired Ethernet, WiFi, uPnP and DLNA. Plus they plays the most important FLAC and WAV file formats up to 24 / 96.
Most impressively, Cyrus have got it right and produced all the main possible combinations for this device:
£1600 Streamline that is streamer / DAC / pre-amp / power amp as an all-in-one mini system (compare Naim UnitiQute)
£1400 Stream X which is the streamer only with digital outputs - so the main "source" component for those of us interested in selecting the best avaible device for each element in the sound reproduction chain (compare Naim NDX)
£2000 Stream XP which is the streamer / DAC / pre-amp version (perhaps compare Musical Fidelity?)
All work with a remote that includes a screen and controls the devices over the network. Can't see anything in the news (no rear panel photos either) that indicate compatibility with the PSX-R power supply.
Brilliant! I'm hoping these devices will sound as good or better than the company's existing DAC products (more soon on this topic) but Cyrus have to be absolutely congratulated and encouraged to continue with this excellent approach to covering all the bases.
Cyrus Announcement
What HiFi News Link
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Squeezebox Touch - Evolution Begins
No changes to the rest of the system (although there is a bit relating to cables...) so this is the first stages of experimentation with streaming audio and how it relates to the Logitech Squeezebox Touch in my system. For the first part of this story, see the posting First Streaming Times below.
So we are at a Touch on its own into the rest of the system using a pair of Linn Black analogue interconnects. And it sounds very detailed but flat, lacking space between the instruments, there's little width to the sound and its all lacking somewhat in terms of drive / pace / enthusiasm. Its fine for background listening, but not so good for listening to music properly. The CD player is still in a different league. These comparisons are done between the same CD and the ripped version in FLAC, not against high res files which would be an unfair comparison.
Some research revealled that quite a few folks have been running external DACs on their Squeezebox Duets and Touches with some success, and there are various references to different (e.g. Fidelity Audio, Teddy PS) external power supplies making a difference.
There's then a whole separate story about a chance opportunity to go to a Naim dealer when Naim themselves were there demoing loads of kit. I might write that one up sometime. But the key relevant point here is that Naim have come out with a streaming device that sounds distinctly unimpressive to me when using its internal DAC, but plug it into the Naim stand alone DAC and it sounds astonishingly good. Add the external power supply to the external DAC and you have something quite remarkable, but also rather expensive (approx £6.5k at this point). So this, coupled with the internet chattosphere spurred me on to further experimenting.
I took the plunge and bought a Cambridge Audio DACMagic (for those with an eye for absolute detail, its a black one) along with the CA basic optical digital interconnect. This is a major step forward and unleashes all sorts of extra information, deeper bass and the soundstage leaps out from between the speakers and pretty much doubles in width. Hmm, very interesting. If I then move the interconnect from the CD player (its an AudioQuest Topaz) there are further improvements in control and bass extension. I purchased a What HiFi recommended Chord Chameleon Silver Plus interconnect (£125) which is an improvement on the Linn, but isn't as good as the Topaz (£180 for 0.5m over 10 years ago, but thrown in when I bought the CD player).
Now if I use the DACMagic and CD player as a transport then the CD player inbuilt DAC still wins out, and that's using an optical digital interconnect (not tried with a coax interconnect yet), so the DACMagic doesn't appear to be as good as the DAC inside the CD player. Or is it?
The reason for this doubt is because of the next step I took. I picked up an old coax digital lead that's actually designed for Meridian components to talk to each other, but only for control purposes, so its not exactly designed with sound quality in mind. However, the improvement of this over the optical digital lead was astonishing. Optical appears to be rubbish - that could be the Touch output, the DACMagic input, or the cable, or some kind of combination of all or some of these. The biggest difference here is difficult to describe, but if you imagine the "space" around, between and behind instruments is blackness, then the blackness was much blacker - I guess it means there's some kind of digital error correction or hash (jitter?) disappearing from the signal? The music is now going along with some proper drive and pace. Foot is tapping at last. So if a rubbish cable is better than an optical one, what's a decent cable like?
So in comes a fairly basic but recommended digital coax cable - a QED Performance which is only £30. Another step forward over the basic coax, but more subtle this time - mainly in the treble area, it's lost some of the remaining grittiness and splash. Must get around to trying the DACMagic with the CD player transport and the coax interconnect soon, just haven't had the time.
So in comes a fairly basic but recommended digital coax cable - a QED Performance which is only £30. Another step forward over the basic coax, but more subtle this time - mainly in the treble area, it's lost some of the remaining grittiness and splash. Must get around to trying the DACMagic with the CD player transport and the coax interconnect soon, just haven't had the time.
So we're now at Touch - QED coax - DACMagic - Chord Chameleon.
Comparison with CD player is now getting about 85% of the way there. CD player still giving a bit more in terms of punch / pace etc, but from a pure detail point of view, there's nothing in it. CD player still using the Topaz interconnect though, which is somewhat better than the Chord Chameleon.
Comparison with CD player is now getting about 85% of the way there. CD player still giving a bit more in terms of punch / pace etc, but from a pure detail point of view, there's nothing in it. CD player still using the Topaz interconnect though, which is somewhat better than the Chord Chameleon.
So off to ebay to find a secondhand Topaz (you can't buy them new anymore). No luck there, but did find 2 pairs of Audioquest Emerald interconnects which were top of their range at around £230 for 0.5m. Got them for £40 and £42 so one for the CD and one for the DACMagic. So here we have yet another improvement to both Touch / DAC and the CD player. Again its subtle but its definitely there. How can I describe this one? Well its a kind of smoothness and flow to the music - whilst the instruments are very seperate and obviously so, the actual music seems to flow along much better and its not a bunch of accurately rendered notes, its a better illusion of a piece of music (I almost used the word accurate there, but we know its not about accuracy, because so few of us actually know what the original performance sounded like and we need to remember that much of the processing done during production is deliberately trying to make the recording NOT sound like the original performance). This description probably isn't making much sense, that's why I'm not Jimmy Michael Hughes!
So we have Touch - QED Coax - DACMagic - Audioquest Emerald and that's now somewhere between 90 and 95% of the way to the CD player's quality.
But here are the 2 killer points. It now stands me at £500 and if I was starting from scratch I'd a choice between that and the £1700 CD player, I know which I'd choose! But as soon as you add in the ability to play 24 / 96 files then its a hands-down win for the streaming tech - its a good 10% better than the CD player and leads to those evenings that are "just one more track" until its suddenly 1am!
So you have to wonder just how much DAC the Touch can support...
And what about power supplies, and do they matter, once you're no longer using the internal DAC?
But here are the 2 killer points. It now stands me at £500 and if I was starting from scratch I'd a choice between that and the £1700 CD player, I know which I'd choose! But as soon as you add in the ability to play 24 / 96 files then its a hands-down win for the streaming tech - its a good 10% better than the CD player and leads to those evenings that are "just one more track" until its suddenly 1am!
So you have to wonder just how much DAC the Touch can support...
And what about power supplies, and do they matter, once you're no longer using the internal DAC?
If you're interested in more on the Squeezebox Touch, take a look at this article as there are mods you can do to your Touch without spending any cash:
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Sunday, 13 February 2011
Cambridge Audio NP30 - Still on the Horizon?
CA have been touting this device for about 10 months now. Supposedly with Wolfson DACs, but not using the same circuitry nor config as the DACMagic. It streams from a network, from USB and internet radio.
But still no sign of it yet, with the nearest I've seen to anyone saying its actually available coming from Stereophile:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/cambridge-audio-np30-network-music-player
But still no sign of it yet, with the nearest I've seen to anyone saying its actually available coming from Stereophile:
http://www.stereophile.com/content/cambridge-audio-np30-network-music-player
Today's Tunes
Managed to grab about 30 mins of downtime amongst the bathroom decorating today.
I chose to play music through the Squeezebox Touch / DACMagic as follows:
Shostakovich Symphony No 8 (88.2 kHz 24 bit)
Massive Attack- Three (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
Lyle Lovett - Dakota, She's Already Made Up Her Mind (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
FAC 15 - Stay With Me Til Dawn (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
Ian Shaw - A Good And Simple Man (88.2 kHz 24 bit)
Very enjoyable.
I chose to play music through the Squeezebox Touch / DACMagic as follows:
Shostakovich Symphony No 8 (88.2 kHz 24 bit)
Massive Attack- Three (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
Lyle Lovett - Dakota, She's Already Made Up Her Mind (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
FAC 15 - Stay With Me Til Dawn (44.1 kHz 16 bit)
Ian Shaw - A Good And Simple Man (88.2 kHz 24 bit)
Very enjoyable.
First Streaming Times
Having studied the various PC / USB / NAS / Squeezebox / Ethernet / WiFi options for approximately 12 months, I've made the decision to go down the NAS / Ethernet / Streamer route. I'm interested in this approach as it gives the benefits of no PC nor any spinning hard disks in the listening room, the ability to use mirrored storage in the NAS for back up purposes and only one copy of the music to be accessed from around the house - even across the internet is possible with the QNAP software.
Having been to a few Linn and Naim demos, I knew that it's possible to get very good sound using streaming and accessing NAS over Ethernet. But I'm not yet ready to spend thousands of pounds on a first try.
More research. More tests read. Good reviews of the Logitech Squeezebox Touch and its ridiculously good price whilst being able to deliver FLAC at up to 24 bit / 96kHz looked like a safe way to go.
This particular story has a bit of background, so if detail is your thing, this should suit you somewhat!
System
This particular story has a bit of background, so if detail is your thing, this should suit you somewhat!
System
CDs ripped using Exact Audio Copy to FLAC, so 16 bit 44.1kHz
FLAC files downloaded from Linn being a mixture of 24 bit 48 kHz and 24 bit 96kHz
QNAP TS 209 II Pro NAS using 2 x 1.5TB mirrored Seagate drives (ARM processor, Linux based firmware)
DELL laptop, Windows 7
Wired Ethernet over Mains
Logitech Squeezebox Touch
Linn black analogue interconnects
Meridian 541 pre-amp
Linn Tunebox Active Crossover
3 x Rotel RB850 power amps
Linn Tri-Active Keilidh speakers
Linn LK600 speaker cable
Comparison against Meridian 508.20 CD player
Software
Software
A mixed bag. Getting software installed on the NAS is a hit and miss affair, in general, despite them being recommended by Linn - but Linn only required uPnP (e.g. Twonky) and nothing bespoke / proprietary. The SqueezeCenter server software is, therefore, immediately a compromised situation. Being reliant on the open source community for QNAP installs means that you need one or more people out there who are enthusiastic about doing what you need to be done. In this case, there only seems to be one person who is producing the required QPKG files (that's the QNAP equivalent to and RPM in the RHEL World or an MSI in the Windows World). It's therefore a problem if things don't work and that individual hasn't found the time to fix or look at your particular combination of NAS hardware, firmware version, QPKG version and SqueezeCenter version. I believe the ReadyNAS range has much more support in this area, but having had an earlier Belkin NAS, I didn't want to go there again! If you are really keen you can go command line and do the Linux install manually and I thought that might be where I might end up.
The QNAP web site is very helpful and has step by step instructions and screenshots on where to find the downloads, where to install them, how to run them etc. Such a shame then that QNAP have redesigned their website and, of course, our helpful friends in the opensource community have changed some of the help text and instructions since the QNAP instructions were published. I therefore had to grub around using search terms at the QNAP site (which is a bit hit and miss) to find the right files and to interpret the steps into the current version of the actual steps to take. So, I downloaded the QPKG file and the QPKG web interface file. They have to be in a particular directory on the NAS and that was no problem. I ran the QPKG and it worked OK, but then you have to go off to Squeezebox (Logitech) to get the actual SqueezeCenter software - and even that isn't in a logical place - its actually at mysqueezebox.com which isn't the main Logitech site - for the QNAP box you need the Perl version of this software. This did install OK through the QPKG software. However, when running the SqueezeCenter (don't forget to spell it the American way or you'll find nothing!) it failed. There is a log file which is full of fairly obscure (to me at least) error messages and hints. However, using the hints in the log and searching for them on the QNAP forum fetched up some answers (one of which included uninstall and reinstall of the NAS firmware - scary!) but it turned out I had a QPKG that was specific to one recent version of SqueezeCenter and needed to download an earlier QPKG that was compatible with early SqueezeCenter versions and the latest version. So a bit confusing. It's also a bit disconcerting when running the QPKG files and the NAS tells you that you are now installing a system update...a little unsettling. Now over 2 hours in!
In the meantime and in parallel...I downloaded the Windows version of SqueezeCenter, installed it on the DELL, pointed it to the correct directory on the NAS and it was all done in about 20 mins, including indexing my music files (but there's only 6 albums of FLAC at the moment). This allowed me to log into my SqueezeCenter account and make sure all my stuff was ready to go there too (not that there's much to do if you just want vanilla everything), and to plug in the SB Touch and get it up and running.
Touch
This was packed very well and is done in a very restrained but quality way. The unit itsself is much heavier than I expected and has a solid case and an aluminium stand at the back with soft rubber feet and the whole thing feels very sturdy - there are no nasty plastic moulding edges / flashing etc. Its very thoroughly wrapped in thin cellophane which is a bit of a challenge to remove.
So, using an Ethernet cable directly to the router and sat alongside the laptop, I plugged in the Touch and switched on. It immediately identified that later software was available, asked me if I wanted to update and off it went and the software was downloaded automatically and installed in about 5 minutes. From there it found the (Windows!) SqueezeCentre automatically and there was my (very limited) collection of HQ rips available via album, artist, search etc. I haven't used the touch screen as navigating via the remote is very easy to use, if a bit cheap feeling in the hand.
Once all up and running the SB Touch was moved down to the listening room and plugged into the Ethernet over mains and the main hifi system using a Linn interconnect.
In my room I'll have to think about where the SB is going to sit - the only currently available position in my rack is a bit restrictive and the screen faces 90 deg to the listening position. Even so, although the screen is very clear and easy to read, I doubt it will be readable from the listening position. The interface is easy to follow and very intuitive and I have no problems with it at all. Very impressive. I like the info available on each track - you can delve into sample rates, bit rates etc. which helps in comparing sound quality.
Listening
I used exclusively FLAC files as listed above, ripped from my CDs using EAC or, with higher quality files, downloaded from Linn. Tracks from Jon Strong (Folk Rock), Charles Webster (electronica) from CD and Ian Shaw (Jazz / Rock?) and some piano stuff and female vocal jazz from the Linn sampler downloads. An Ian Shaw track (A Case of You) I have from Linn in both 24 bit 48kHz and 24 bit 96 kHz formats. Everything streams fine over the Ethernet over Mains with no dropouts and no obvious artefacts.
So, bearing in mind that its now nearly midnight, listening was not extended and these are very much initial thoughts. At least I could use a decent volume as the kids were fast asleep and it takes a lot to wake them! I didn't make direct comparisons with the CD player due to time limitations so observations are from memory of how the CD player sounds and I will report back when I can make actual comparisons - I'll be able to compare CDs against rips of those CDs and CD against downloaded higher res files. But for now, it seems to me that the SB Touch has very good resolution of detail and has reasonable timing. However, whilst pretty much all the info is there, it all feels a bit "polite" or "restrained" with tracks lacking some attack and Jon Strong's aggressive acoustic guitar playing (he's from Leeds and is singing about what Thatcher did to the North East so, as you can imagine, this track shouldn't be polite, and isn't on my CD player and definitely isn't when he's playing live with a couple of pints inside!) isn't as meaningful as it should be. On the female vocal jazz this isn't really an issue as its politely presenting very polite music. The electronica dance tracks were also restrained and less likely to get your foot tapping, but again the detail is there.
I guess you might remember the "inky blackness" of silence between instruments when moving from vinyl to CD? Well this device takes that one step further - the lack of noise is stunning and is something I noticed on the Linn DS devices. I think some might call this dryness or sterility, but I would disagree - it just makes the actual music stand out more. Also, I noticed that the SB Touch is actually capable of demonstrating the difference between the 24/48 file and 24/96 file of the same Ian Shaw track - very impressive.
Internet radio works - I guess it'll be very sample rate dependent as DAB is. Favourites are going to be essential here as the choice is a bit overwhelming and could be a few evenings work in itsself - hopefully its possible to manage this through the SqueezeCenter software rather than just through the Touch as the interface isn't good enough to be able to work through the full gamut (sorry Alan) of choice. There are apps to install too, one of which allows podcast listening so that'll be the first one I give a try.
So a pretty good start. A more direct comparison will need to be done against the CD player. However, here's the killer point - the SB Touch was £208 including P&P and the CD player cost £1700 about 10 years ago. Even at this early stage, I don't think I'd want to swap the CD player for the Touch, but if you were starting from scratch...
If this is the basic level, then the likes of the Cambridge NP30 and stuff coming soon from Cyrus, Arcam et al looks very promising indeed. Perhaps I don't have to save up for that Linn Akurate DS after all?
Back to the Software
And so the above was all done listening through the Windows SqueezeCenter on the laptop. However, the NAS version did get up and running, pointed it to the correct folder on the NAS, closed down the Windows SqueezeCenter and started up the NAS version. SB Touch did find it, but I had to use the "change folder" option on the Touch to point to the new SqueezeCenter instance. Everything then works well and I did a quick listen to make sure it was working. Wonder if there's a difference in sound between the NAS and Windows versions???
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QNAP,
QPKG,
Rotel,
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SqueezeCenter
Saturday, 12 February 2011
In The Beginning
A warm coke fired Rayburn fire, my favourite Corgi, Dinky and Matchbox toy cars, the Hornby OO in the other room, Toad in the Hole with gravy and mash, the first proper bike with only 2 wheels (sky blue and red, as it happens), caravan holidays in Devon and the Yorkshire Dales, the kids next door, Dad's blue Hillman Avenger, the local park, the outside loo block at primary school and the big old Marconiphone Radiogram playing "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" - these are some of the clearest memories of my childhood.
There's a photo of the radiogram on the Images page. I very much remember the sqeaky metal supports as the big front flaps covering the receiver controls and the record player hinged down. There was that smell that comes with hardwood furniture, the incredibly heavy looking white moulded plastic tone arm with the stylus you could turn, using the maroon "control" on the end of the tone arm - a needle for 78s on one side and a stylus for "microgroove" records on the other. The receiver took a while to warm up - I presume it used valves, and the sound was very very warm and inviting. A deep tone, but very little in the way of information, with vocals just part of the music rather than something distinctive. It seems amazing to me now that 35 or more years later, this radiogram is such a vivid part of my memories.
I had to sit close, I assume this was to make it seem louder than I was allowed to play it, but I don't remember being asked to turn it down. My brother is 4 years older than me, so he started buying music earlier than I did - I don't remember any albums on this machine, just 7" singles, particularly his Beatles music. For me, the first single I bought was T-Rex's Solid Gold Easy Action. I'm a child of the glam-rock era!
There's a photo of the radiogram on the Images page. I very much remember the sqeaky metal supports as the big front flaps covering the receiver controls and the record player hinged down. There was that smell that comes with hardwood furniture, the incredibly heavy looking white moulded plastic tone arm with the stylus you could turn, using the maroon "control" on the end of the tone arm - a needle for 78s on one side and a stylus for "microgroove" records on the other. The receiver took a while to warm up - I presume it used valves, and the sound was very very warm and inviting. A deep tone, but very little in the way of information, with vocals just part of the music rather than something distinctive. It seems amazing to me now that 35 or more years later, this radiogram is such a vivid part of my memories.
I had to sit close, I assume this was to make it seem louder than I was allowed to play it, but I don't remember being asked to turn it down. My brother is 4 years older than me, so he started buying music earlier than I did - I don't remember any albums on this machine, just 7" singles, particularly his Beatles music. For me, the first single I bought was T-Rex's Solid Gold Easy Action. I'm a child of the glam-rock era!
Wednesday, 9 February 2011
Why?
I'm sure there must be a reason for this product to exist, but I'm really struggling with the way Bryston have gone with the BDP-1 digital music transport. It's reviewed in the March 2011 edition of HiFi Choice magazine, page 64.
There are 3 main ways in which digital file based music is being delivered into hifi systems at the moment - one is the PC / Laptop / Mac feeding through USB into a DAC, the second being streaming from a PC / Laptop / MAC over a network, be it Ethernet, Ethernet over mains or Wifi and finally we have music servers which contain an internal hard drive in addition to the control elements and DAC (and sometimes pre-amp / power amps). The latter one has a further option of adding other "clients" to the system - examples being SooLoos and Sonos.
So the beautifully built Bryston chooses another route - to only play music directly from direct attached USB storage - be that solid state or a hard drive. So you have to get your music off your computer, onto some kind of USB attached media and then plug it into the Bryston. It then scans the storage and builds an index - every time you connect. So you add one more ripped CD to your portable USB hard disk storage and when you re-connect to the Bryston, it re-scans your collection of 1000 CDs (or whatever your numbers are). Bryston claim that streaming over a network is messy and hard. Interesting - and see my next post about the Linn Akurate DS, also reviewed in the same magazine edition (coming soon).
All of that seems unusual, to say the least. Personally I'm not convinced of the merits - putting a CD in a player seems somewhat easier to me. So having got all the media onto the hard disk, you just plug the £2200 device into a system right? Wrong. All this device is doing is taking the digital file, providing some control over the content (selection, playlists etc.) and squirting it to a digital output. You need to add an external DAC, which, of course, Bryston can supply, as can many other manufacturers. The outputs use a choice of electrical connections (no optical, good) which use either a BNC connector or XLR. And we used to think Naim were a little odd with their choice of connectors! The Bryston DAC has an asychronous USB input, but this device has no equivalent output. Hmmm. With a decent DAC this device is competing with the Linn Akurate DS on price but is no comparison on capability. Sound quality might be a factor of course, but I doubt I'll be lucky enough to have the chance to make that comparison.
HiFi Choice give the device a good review for sound quality but pronounce the device low on features. That seems to be a bit of an understatement. I just don't see a place for this, but perhaps you can correct me? There may be a market out there for those who find Windows Explorer or Mac Finder enough from the computer side and don't want to have a computer close to their listening system, or don't want to mess about with networking I suppose. And here is the final oddity - the device has an ethernet port on the back - to allow you to connect to your network which enables the use of an Apple device to provide control over wifi. Bizarre.
A relevant thread at Computer Audiophile can be found here.
There are 3 main ways in which digital file based music is being delivered into hifi systems at the moment - one is the PC / Laptop / Mac feeding through USB into a DAC, the second being streaming from a PC / Laptop / MAC over a network, be it Ethernet, Ethernet over mains or Wifi and finally we have music servers which contain an internal hard drive in addition to the control elements and DAC (and sometimes pre-amp / power amps). The latter one has a further option of adding other "clients" to the system - examples being SooLoos and Sonos.
So the beautifully built Bryston chooses another route - to only play music directly from direct attached USB storage - be that solid state or a hard drive. So you have to get your music off your computer, onto some kind of USB attached media and then plug it into the Bryston. It then scans the storage and builds an index - every time you connect. So you add one more ripped CD to your portable USB hard disk storage and when you re-connect to the Bryston, it re-scans your collection of 1000 CDs (or whatever your numbers are). Bryston claim that streaming over a network is messy and hard. Interesting - and see my next post about the Linn Akurate DS, also reviewed in the same magazine edition (coming soon).
All of that seems unusual, to say the least. Personally I'm not convinced of the merits - putting a CD in a player seems somewhat easier to me. So having got all the media onto the hard disk, you just plug the £2200 device into a system right? Wrong. All this device is doing is taking the digital file, providing some control over the content (selection, playlists etc.) and squirting it to a digital output. You need to add an external DAC, which, of course, Bryston can supply, as can many other manufacturers. The outputs use a choice of electrical connections (no optical, good) which use either a BNC connector or XLR. And we used to think Naim were a little odd with their choice of connectors! The Bryston DAC has an asychronous USB input, but this device has no equivalent output. Hmmm. With a decent DAC this device is competing with the Linn Akurate DS on price but is no comparison on capability. Sound quality might be a factor of course, but I doubt I'll be lucky enough to have the chance to make that comparison.
HiFi Choice give the device a good review for sound quality but pronounce the device low on features. That seems to be a bit of an understatement. I just don't see a place for this, but perhaps you can correct me? There may be a market out there for those who find Windows Explorer or Mac Finder enough from the computer side and don't want to have a computer close to their listening system, or don't want to mess about with networking I suppose. And here is the final oddity - the device has an ethernet port on the back - to allow you to connect to your network which enables the use of an Apple device to provide control over wifi. Bizarre.
A relevant thread at Computer Audiophile can be found here.
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Sooloos,
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USB
Tuesday, 8 February 2011
Musical Fidelity Join The Fray
More good news, but not quite so hot off the press, given that MF are advertising in pretty much every hifi mag with this at the moment. But here it is anyway:
The MF M1 CLiC music streamer with 24/192 DAC, ethernet, wifi, internet radio, iPod digital input, USB input and iPhone / iPod controller app. MF's twist includes digital and analogue inputs that allows use of this as a pre-amp in addition to being a source. At £1300 it looks like a good option and it will be interesting to compare against the Cyrus on sound quality and price. For those who were disappointed that the Naim UnitiQute came with an amp, this could be just the thing, and for those who find the Linn Sneaky a disappointment (that would include me - it just doesn't deliver on the emotion in music and looks like they forgot to put it in a box), it would be great if it challenges the Akurate DS on sound.
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Musical-Fidelity-M1-Clic-Music-Controller/product_4870
The MF M1 CLiC music streamer with 24/192 DAC, ethernet, wifi, internet radio, iPod digital input, USB input and iPhone / iPod controller app. MF's twist includes digital and analogue inputs that allows use of this as a pre-amp in addition to being a source. At £1300 it looks like a good option and it will be interesting to compare against the Cyrus on sound quality and price. For those who were disappointed that the Naim UnitiQute came with an amp, this could be just the thing, and for those who find the Linn Sneaky a disappointment (that would include me - it just doesn't deliver on the emotion in music and looks like they forgot to put it in a box), it would be great if it challenges the Akurate DS on sound.
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Musical-Fidelity-M1-Clic-Music-Controller/product_4870
Friday, 4 February 2011
First Images Posted
Checkout the link to the Images page on the right - some vintage stuff in there! Starting to build up the story over the past 4+ decades.
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9200,
Formula IV,
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Nagaoka,
RS-M8,
Sony,
Technics,
Thorens
Thursday, 3 February 2011
Cyrus - Breaking News!
What a great way to be able to start off the blog - some breaking news from Cyrus - they're about to release a network streaming player! Observations later, but here's the news from a newsletter release today:
We are pleased to announce that the new Cyrus streaming platform will soon be unveiled and we have taken all of the feedback on board that we received last year. We have not only developed an exceptional streaming music player, but also a truly unique interface that we have aptly named n-remote. Whether you want to browse your network music library, select albums, artists or specific tracks, find your favourite internet radio station or control your Cyrus system, the n-remote will let you do all of this and more from the touch of a few buttons.
With its sleek body, full colour screen and two-way control, the n-remote is just one of the features that make the new Cyrus streaming platform very special. We will be releasing full details of this new platform over the next few weeks, but as a valued and favoured customer we thought you might like to see a sneak preview of this latest product......
The new Cyrus streaming music player
Tuesday, 1 February 2011
Introduction
It's all about the music and the emotion is conveys, but you can only get there if you have the right kit to produce something you like the sound of in your home / car / office / garage etc.
Everyone has an opinion about what sounds right to them - and that's fine, and that's what you'll get here - my views, my opinion and that's all it is for what it's worth. Hopefully there'll be some who agree, some who don't and something that creates a bit of interest or some debate.
The blog will contain a mix of what's happening at the moment with my listening kit, what's happening in the industry and something about the music that's been playing, interspersed with a bit of history spanning back to 1981, and perhaps even earlier.
Everyone has an opinion about what sounds right to them - and that's fine, and that's what you'll get here - my views, my opinion and that's all it is for what it's worth. Hopefully there'll be some who agree, some who don't and something that creates a bit of interest or some debate.
The blog will contain a mix of what's happening at the moment with my listening kit, what's happening in the industry and something about the music that's been playing, interspersed with a bit of history spanning back to 1981, and perhaps even earlier.
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